Message from @Phillip
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Re you as an embryo progressing to you as you are now though @snakeeater, obviously you share very little in common with yourself as an embryo. Obviously you are a lot bigger then you were then, you can understand language, etc. If someone were to hire you and had a foetus delivered to them instead obviously that wouldnt be what they wanted. In what way is it accurate then to say that you are the same thing?
@CronoSaturn It however can influence where this discussion goes and establishing this basic principle gives the discussion meaning that it otherwise lacks... but addressing your second question... the way I see it society ought to be built on human nature... so self should be protected as long as its individual interests are not aimed at undermining this order... and self should also be actively encouraged to strenghten the order. When it comes to CRISPR... I think its usage should be limited only to strictly medical purposes and nothing more. I hope it is vague enough because in reality I think it would be more productive to talk about specific examples instead of trying to establish general rules that will surely have to fail when confronted with practical examples
@snakeeater Hi hi
Hmm... but what in this embryo constitutes you? Atoms in the human body, for example, are totally replaced with new ones every several years due to metabolic processes.
@CronoSaturn @Aki because that embryo and I have the same genes
The only difference between us is time and experiences
Genetic engineering seems outside the scope of this conversation
This is so much more interesting to me than politics. Fuck politics
@Aki so what’s natural here? Humans are not alone in the fact that we use tools to manipulate the world to better suit our needs. I would hardly think anyone would call a beaver dam “unnatural”, why do we make a distinction when a dam is made by humans?
Same same with what we should consider a medical procedure. What’s the distinction here?
@snakeeater we wouldn’t say identical twins are the same person, is genetics then what makes you the same person? As I touched on earlier, you also have massive differences physically, in terms of capability, even in terms of agency. How can we say then that you are the same thing?
I said time and experience @CronoSaturn
Sure so a foetus has had no time or experience that we share to any real degree, I don’t remember being a foetus for example.
Could we not think of this like a caterpillar and a butterfly? obviously one requires the other, they are of the same species, but they are not the same thing
@CronoSaturn I originally said that my answer to the question was We Grow I just clarified that in a certain way the fetus and all of the stages of Life are the same organism growing so it's sort of a yes and no answer
A caterpillar and the butterfly it becomes are both the same organism in different stages of life
The same would apply for the stages of human life like embryo childhood teenage years excetera
Sure I can see that.
If y’all aren’t walking around the house straight *strapped* the fuck you doing
like why wouldn’t you keep an 870 on every floor of your house
Im always strapped with an emergency snickers bar in case i get the munchies
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Who’s voting for Hillary
no one
Me
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@CronoSaturn Well.. in the context of this discussion, I am particularly interested in natural human psychology... and evolutionary psychology deals with the issue so it can be quite well defined.
Well... by that I mean diseases like Parkinson, Altzheimer, allergies etc. So in other words a disease as understood by an average normie.