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Also what a retarded debate topic, our experiences change our visions of the world

Do a prostitute(the one who has to sell her body to survive) was born to be a prostitute?

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A little bit of both, but mostly genetics. Twins often have very similar personalities and beliefs, for example.

@CronoSaturn intresting topic I'd say this is a one answer question. Our nature and paths of thinking are made at birth, but the brain evolves all the time and as a person you'll always grow and evolve your mind.

Most people seem to be saying that you are born into yourself and then shaped further by your experiences. Some things to consider here, at which point, if any, do those differences become sufficient to say you are a different person to who you were born as?

As time progresses we also see an increased capacity to alter our DNA. Does doing so make us different people? Or when chosen is it merely the manifestation of the person we have become?

I don't think we ever will be able to change our DNA. That seems extremly advance probeply impossile.

We also share a great deal of genetic material and experiences as common, should this common heritage be considered part of us as individuals, or as part of the human condition?

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Have a look at CRISPR as a technology. How it will mature is yet to be seen but certainly there are those in the field who believe that it may have that capacity and are exploring developing that capability

China has been in hot water with the ethics committees of a number of scientific boards for using the technology to alter the germ line of both adults and human foetuses

"Some things to consider here, at which point, if any, do those differences become sufficient to say you are a different person to who you were born as?" Sounds very metaphysical... the terms me and you have little meaning outside of human experience so it is hard to say when one person becomes a different one because you don't know what constitutes you in the first place.

Is there any place for "me" in the everchaning world?

I will get back to it on this tipic surely!! Gotta go now tho!

Whether we “know” in a hard sense does not preclude a discussion where we evaluate the merits and flaws with how we understand these questions however.

I think your second question is an interesting one. How important is the self in society? To what extent should it be protected or be forced to conform?

Ill look forward to hearing your views when you have the chance

@CronoSaturn we grow.

@Aki sup

I mean sure we can say that when I was an embryo, I was still me and from that moment till now it's been me all along, all the same person, but that person has been growing obviously

It's a philosophical thing I suppose it's a matter of opinion

Well to varying degrees, of course its very difficult to pin down a single view as the question is deliberately vague and so without knowing exactly how people define their terms, their reasoning etc but we can try and discuss these to try and understand the positions of others and ourselves to a greater degree
Plus fuck it, I find it fun to talk about

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Re you as an embryo progressing to you as you are now though @snakeeater, obviously you share very little in common with yourself as an embryo. Obviously you are a lot bigger then you were then, you can understand language, etc. If someone were to hire you and had a foetus delivered to them instead obviously that wouldnt be what they wanted. In what way is it accurate then to say that you are the same thing?

@CronoSaturn It however can influence where this discussion goes and establishing this basic principle gives the discussion meaning that it otherwise lacks... but addressing your second question... the way I see it society ought to be built on human nature... so self should be protected as long as its individual interests are not aimed at undermining this order... and self should also be actively encouraged to strenghten the order. When it comes to CRISPR... I think its usage should be limited only to strictly medical purposes and nothing more. I hope it is vague enough because in reality I think it would be more productive to talk about specific examples instead of trying to establish general rules that will surely have to fail when confronted with practical examples
@snakeeater Hi hi
Hmm... but what in this embryo constitutes you? Atoms in the human body, for example, are totally replaced with new ones every several years due to metabolic processes.

@CronoSaturn @Aki because that embryo and I have the same genes

The only difference between us is time and experiences

Genetic engineering seems outside the scope of this conversation

This is so much more interesting to me than politics. Fuck politics

@Aki so what’s natural here? Humans are not alone in the fact that we use tools to manipulate the world to better suit our needs. I would hardly think anyone would call a beaver dam “unnatural”, why do we make a distinction when a dam is made by humans?
Same same with what we should consider a medical procedure. What’s the distinction here?

@snakeeater we wouldn’t say identical twins are the same person, is genetics then what makes you the same person? As I touched on earlier, you also have massive differences physically, in terms of capability, even in terms of agency. How can we say then that you are the same thing?

I said time and experience @CronoSaturn

Sure so a foetus has had no time or experience that we share to any real degree, I don’t remember being a foetus for example.

Could we not think of this like a caterpillar and a butterfly? obviously one requires the other, they are of the same species, but they are not the same thing

@CronoSaturn I originally said that my answer to the question was We Grow I just clarified that in a certain way the fetus and all of the stages of Life are the same organism growing so it's sort of a yes and no answer

A caterpillar and the butterfly it becomes are both the same organism in different stages of life

The same would apply for the stages of human life like embryo childhood teenage years excetera

Sure I can see that.

If y’all aren’t walking around the house straight *strapped* the fuck you doing

like why wouldn’t you keep an 870 on every floor of your house

Im always strapped with an emergency snickers bar in case i get the munchies