or as I observe with a lot of leftist ideologies axioms built ontop of axioms ontop of axioms that are all wrong 5 layers down

An inescapable web of rationalised falsehood

as an example, time-outs DO work however, they ONLY work with certain types of children

Its about application also

and this ability to understand when an idea or concept is applicable and when it IS NOT is a dying skill-set

Ie they have to actually know they are being punished and not just going through the motions

I wouldnt call that a skill

because while people today 'know more' they UNDERSTAND so very little

thats just based on intelligence and pattern recognition

and intelligent people will always be a minority

it's called 'judgement'

They don't think

something you can only develop by operating in a vacuum

who works in a vacuum today?

no one

Surely if they sat down and thought of how to effectively discipline their children and worked at it trial and error - experience. then they'd work it out

But they don't engage

They don't think

there is no incentive to do so

instead of trying to come up with a solution, instead of trying to solve problems without asking anyone, they simply look how other do it

let the school handle it

There is no problem solving though they know there is a problem

well you enjoy the money you have spent half your life collecting

Yes

thats the mentality

They ask others what to do

not really northern because children are different as well as circumstances are different

What is that?

Its a mark of dependence

They aren't self reliant independent people

you cannot compare a household where the majority of people respect reason and logic vs the houshould that respects might makes right

They are the kind of people who ask others for trivial advice they are perfectly capable and more qualified in giving

even if you account for the difference in children, what works under one roof will back-fire under the other roof

That is part of what I am saying

Your child is an individual with a personality

Ofc you have to tailor what you do to them

yes, but they are a CHILD first

an indiviuall with personality second

you MUST contain the outliers FIRST

otherwise, you invalidate any authority you might have

and destroy the ability to reach the individual