Tbf, when people are in a mental unstable place, pandering (I.E. hiring only women at womens shelters) might not be awful

So if those are considered reasonable, it proves there isn't a black and white standard

When someone is so broken, you might need to nurture them a bit before you can bring them back to standard society

And if there isn't a black and white standard, the question then becomes "Who are you to decide what justifies unreasonable discrimination?"

By what metric are we deciding?

its not black or white... its a basic foundation of protecting individual rights

Except it's not

In it's current form

You don't have a right to work at someone else's business or organisation

These rights are in opposition to each other

No you dont

Im not saying... as you suggested... to start building mosques.... Im just saying you dont have to discriminate... that has nothing to do with accomodating anything more

But the person doesnt have the right to discriminate on the base of protected characteristics

But you have to define what discrimination means

of course you dont have a right to work at someones business.. no-one suggested that..

I think DC has the right idea with politics being protected too

DC?

Washington

Im saying you have a right not to be discriminated against just because you are white

Sound suspiciously like bollocks, wladfa

For certain values of "discrimination", wacka

@wacka Why not, Why should someone be forced to hire you even if they don't want to based on your race?

Now you're arguing in the abstract

nobodys forcing anyone to hire anyone ... ?!?!

Wacka, you're one step away from "if you don't date a trans woman, you're discriminating"

I'm not

Which part of my statement was that

not really

not even close

So here's where I come down:

If you are banning discrimination based on race then if the owner of a business that doesn't want to hire white people for instance could be forced to anyway due to discrimination laws

I'm saying people shouldnt use these classifications as judgement materials when hiring

businesses dont date people

Shouldnt*

that is absurd

I'm no where near who gets to date whom

The -state- and it's institutions should not be able to -unfairly- discriminate based on what has til now been called 'arbtirary characteristics' - the state and it's institutions should always as a matter of course treat every person as an individual

They shouldn't hire based on those characteristics but they should be allowed to if they wish

Well that's a social contract, not a legal one, lizard

There already effectively is one

Not many people would hire based on race if it was suddenly made legal