Message from @Dubdogelmo

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2019-10-21 22:17:43 UTC  

No societal ethics

2019-10-21 22:17:45 UTC  

why not, death is quick and final

2019-10-21 22:18:03 UTC  

The thought of one person ending the life of another sickens me.

2019-10-21 22:18:11 UTC  

no criminal ever put to death reoffended,fact

2019-10-21 22:19:06 UTC  

and no person wrongfully convicted put to death came back to life, fact

2019-10-21 22:19:12 UTC  

@Crafty Nihilism is the only philosophy that actually believes in freedom of the individual

2019-10-21 22:19:22 UTC  

think of how much taxpayers cash is saved

2019-10-21 22:19:37 UTC  

All others want the average person to submit and agree with a socially constructed moral philosophy

2019-10-21 22:19:49 UTC  

Nihilism says to create you own morals

2019-10-21 22:19:58 UTC  

Revaluate all values

2019-10-21 22:20:14 UTC  

Only base morals on modern reality

2019-10-21 22:20:15 UTC  

i agree with that crafty, thats where the line lies for me, not in actually disposing of someone, but making sure its the right person to die

2019-10-21 22:20:59 UTC  

1 person dies every second

2019-10-21 22:21:13 UTC  

I simply cannot grasp why anyone would care about one life

2019-10-21 22:21:26 UTC  

However with a society with laws, those laws must be built on a societal ethic

2019-10-21 22:21:57 UTC  

and as we live in a society, we have to determine what we believe to be ethically sound

2019-10-21 22:22:07 UTC  

Humans are not crazy beings, We won't go around killing each other if we don't have societal ethics

2019-10-21 22:22:47 UTC  

plenty of murderers in the world that combat your point

2019-10-21 22:22:57 UTC  

We can easily perceive what helps society and act accordingly without morality

2019-10-21 22:23:53 UTC  

helping society is part of someones morality

2019-10-21 22:24:09 UTC  

and I was distinguishing ethics from someones personal morality

2019-10-21 22:24:17 UTC  

though they are linked

2019-10-21 22:24:33 UTC  

Making sure society survives is not based on morality, It is based on the belief of self preservation

2019-10-21 22:24:47 UTC  

same as 'gang member's they only try and rule little gangs through fear, lock them up in a public places and ridcule them, make everyone see who pathetic they are, shame has a lot of power

2019-10-21 22:25:08 UTC  

'survives' is a very broad term

2019-10-21 22:25:27 UTC  

If we go around killing each other society won't last very long

2019-10-21 22:25:36 UTC  

If we don't do that it will last longer

2019-10-21 22:25:52 UTC  

However the view that killing is wrong is based in ethics and upheld with laws

2019-10-21 22:25:58 UTC  

Self-Preservation and Realism would prevent everyone just going crazy

2019-10-21 22:26:14 UTC  

With your philosophy there is no reason e.g. to crack down on inner city gangs

2019-10-21 22:26:18 UTC  

It is based on the ethics of some people

2019-10-21 22:26:21 UTC  

even if they effect everyone else

2019-10-21 22:26:24 UTC  

No

2019-10-21 22:26:42 UTC  

It calls for revaluating all socially created values

2019-10-21 22:27:09 UTC  

drag them in to a public place and lash them, watch how much fear they project when they piss themselves from the pain

2019-10-21 22:27:10 UTC  

Ethics can be based on realism instead of Morality

2019-10-21 22:27:42 UTC  

could you follow someone who pissed themselves screaming in a public square?

2019-10-21 22:27:45 UTC  

@Dubdogelmo We would crack down on those things because they damage society

2019-10-21 22:27:58 UTC  

Gangs don't help society at all

2019-10-21 22:28:05 UTC  

lizard i think you are assuming we start with a baseline for people's psychological traits