Only base morals on modern reality

i agree with that crafty, thats where the line lies for me, not in actually disposing of someone, but making sure its the right person to die

1 person dies every second

I simply cannot grasp why anyone would care about one life

However with a society with laws, those laws must be built on a societal ethic

and as we live in a society, we have to determine what we believe to be ethically sound

Humans are not crazy beings, We won't go around killing each other if we don't have societal ethics

plenty of murderers in the world that combat your point

We can easily perceive what helps society and act accordingly without morality

helping society is part of someones morality

and I was distinguishing ethics from someones personal morality

though they are linked

Making sure society survives is not based on morality, It is based on the belief of self preservation

same as 'gang member's they only try and rule little gangs through fear, lock them up in a public places and ridcule them, make everyone see who pathetic they are, shame has a lot of power

'survives' is a very broad term

If we go around killing each other society won't last very long

If we don't do that it will last longer

However the view that killing is wrong is based in ethics and upheld with laws

Self-Preservation and Realism would prevent everyone just going crazy

With your philosophy there is no reason e.g. to crack down on inner city gangs

It is based on the ethics of some people

even if they effect everyone else

No

It calls for revaluating all socially created values

drag them in to a public place and lash them, watch how much fear they project when they piss themselves from the pain

Ethics can be based on realism instead of Morality

could you follow someone who pissed themselves screaming in a public square?

@Dubdogelmo We would crack down on those things because they damage society

Gangs don't help society at all

lizard i think you are assuming we start with a baseline for people's psychological traits

We just wouldn't do it out of a moral reason

carry a knife, gte life imprisonment

get*

so it's just practicality?

I believe that people are born with very minimal ethics and the rest are simply forced into them by the societal system of morality

That provides justification for an opressive technocratic state

and youre never going to change that

We live in a society, and we will always live in a society

I don't propose stopping that

get more draconian then

I propose revaluating our system of morality