Message from @The Electric Lizard
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and as we live in a society, we have to determine what we believe to be ethically sound
Humans are not crazy beings, We won't go around killing each other if we don't have societal ethics
plenty of murderers in the world that combat your point
We can easily perceive what helps society and act accordingly without morality
helping society is part of someones morality
and I was distinguishing ethics from someones personal morality
though they are linked
Making sure society survives is not based on morality, It is based on the belief of self preservation
same as 'gang member's they only try and rule little gangs through fear, lock them up in a public places and ridcule them, make everyone see who pathetic they are, shame has a lot of power
'survives' is a very broad term
If we go around killing each other society won't last very long
If we don't do that it will last longer
However the view that killing is wrong is based in ethics and upheld with laws
Self-Preservation and Realism would prevent everyone just going crazy
With your philosophy there is no reason e.g. to crack down on inner city gangs
It is based on the ethics of some people
even if they effect everyone else
No
It calls for revaluating all socially created values
drag them in to a public place and lash them, watch how much fear they project when they piss themselves from the pain
could you follow someone who pissed themselves screaming in a public square?
@Dubdogelmo We would crack down on those things because they damage society
Gangs don't help society at all
lizard i think you are assuming we start with a baseline for people's psychological traits
We just wouldn't do it out of a moral reason
carry a knife, gte life imprisonment
get*
so it's just practicality?
I believe that people are born with very minimal ethics and the rest are simply forced into them by the societal system of morality
That provides justification for an opressive technocratic state
and youre never going to change that
We live in a society, and we will always live in a society
I don't propose stopping that
get more draconian then
I propose revaluating our system of morality
Like many other Nihilists
and that society will always have a moral and ethical zeitgeist which we will always impart to our children
have you heard the latest, man detained for hate crime for not having sex with a trans woman because she had a penis <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>
I don't think we should do that @Dubdogelmo
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