Fuck no

No matter how "Good" they are

That is a good thing within itself

Power is rarely voluntarily Relinquished

rights aren't a thing, they're a principle

I just personally think that the whole idea of Natural or Innate rights is absurd since all rights are pretty much social inventions

Yes, they are social inventions

That doesn't mean they can serve no purpose

Not really if you think about it

As humans we can speak, it's a thing

at least make noises with our mouths

Stopping that from happening takes intervention

Which means the right to speak (or make random noises if you cant speak words) is innate

I think that is a flawed argument

However healthcare is not innate

However can be adopted

it isnt a "Tier 1 right"

We are also born with the capacity to kill others and stopping that takes intervention yet i don't think anyone would say that we have a natural right to kill others

That is because we rank rights

You cannot express your rights if they directly impact someone else's innate right to autonomy for example

The right to life is above the right to freely express your murderous desires

For example

I guess

This is why the right to speech ends after you call directly on someone to take action against another

as that right has then negated that other person's right to autonomy

It's also why the abortion argument is difficult

As you have to judge when the foetus gains their humans rights

When does your right to autonomy start infringing on the foetus's right to life

For example

https://discordapp.com/channels/462008211378012160/622430298746912768/637054294746595331 @Joshu

Positive and negative freedoms.

Depends on your point of view.

I see positive as in rights

However not extreme

Social mobility is good

But not if it sacrifices basic rights.

It's the auth vs lib argument essentially

Negative freedom (or negative liberty) consists of freedom from something whereas positive freedom (or positive liberty) consists of the ability to do something.

Your social mobility would be considered positive freedom

They intersect a bit

I have the ability to speak because I am free from prosecution due to it.