Message from @The Electric Lizard

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2019-10-24 22:28:59 UTC  

as in the gov can just take them away

2019-10-24 22:29:12 UTC  

we would go a long way to being a freer society

2019-10-24 22:29:30 UTC  

Rights are a good thing but i don't think the idea that they are inmate is correct although it does help to the extent that it stops the Government from infringing on them

2019-10-24 22:29:53 UTC  

It slows overeach

2019-10-24 22:29:54 UTC  

For example

2019-10-24 22:30:02 UTC  

1 rerally bad gov takes away a right

2019-10-24 22:30:12 UTC  

you think any succeeding gov is gonna give you it back?

2019-10-24 22:30:14 UTC  

Fuck no

2019-10-24 22:30:22 UTC  

No matter how "Good" they are

2019-10-24 22:30:42 UTC  

That is a good thing within itself

2019-10-24 22:30:48 UTC  

Power is rarely voluntarily Relinquished

2019-10-24 22:30:59 UTC  

rights aren't a thing, they're a principle

2019-10-24 22:31:19 UTC  

I just personally think that the whole idea of Natural or Innate rights is absurd since all rights are pretty much social inventions

2019-10-24 22:31:33 UTC  

Yes, they are social inventions

2019-10-24 22:31:41 UTC  

That doesn't mean they can serve no purpose

2019-10-24 22:31:42 UTC  

Not really if you think about it

2019-10-24 22:31:52 UTC  

As humans we can speak, it's a thing

2019-10-24 22:31:58 UTC  

at least make noises with our mouths

2019-10-24 22:32:07 UTC  

Stopping that from happening takes intervention

2019-10-24 22:32:24 UTC  

Which means the right to speak (or make random noises if you cant speak words) is innate

2019-10-24 22:32:27 UTC  

I think that is a flawed argument

2019-10-24 22:32:36 UTC  

However healthcare is not innate

2019-10-24 22:32:46 UTC  

However can be adopted

2019-10-24 22:32:52 UTC  

it isnt a "Tier 1 right"

2019-10-24 22:32:58 UTC  

We are also born with the capacity to kill others and stopping that takes intervention yet i don't think anyone would say that we have a natural right to kill others

2019-10-24 22:33:11 UTC  

That is because we rank rights

2019-10-24 22:33:37 UTC  

You cannot express your rights if they directly impact someone else's innate right to autonomy for example

2019-10-24 22:34:04 UTC  

The right to life is above the right to freely express your murderous desires

2019-10-24 22:34:08 UTC  

For example

2019-10-24 22:34:25 UTC  

I guess

2019-10-24 22:34:44 UTC  

This is why the right to speech ends after you call directly on someone to take action against another

2019-10-24 22:35:06 UTC  

as that right has then negated that other person's right to autonomy

2019-10-24 22:35:23 UTC  

It's also why the abortion argument is difficult

2019-10-24 22:35:39 UTC  

As you have to judge when the foetus gains their humans rights

2019-10-24 22:35:56 UTC  

When does your right to autonomy start infringing on the foetus's right to life

2019-10-24 22:36:00 UTC  

For example

2019-10-24 22:46:19 UTC  

Positive and negative freedoms.

2019-10-24 22:46:47 UTC  

Depends on your point of view.

2019-10-24 22:46:53 UTC  

I see positive as in rights

2019-10-24 22:47:02 UTC  

However not extreme