well thats pointless then

For long at least

In fact when there's a strong welfare system, people work more. @Joshu

Because what would be their point

To keep people alive while they try to find employment

What im getting at though weez

if there was no minimum wage

and the average for less skilled labour dropped

and welfare was above that average

Well yeah

In that instance

Then people would lean on it more

I'd just live on the dole

Exactly

and if you lower it to a point you could have a place to live

If wages drop and the welfare system is maintained by charity then Welfare would drop to

They wouldnt have a correspondence address

personally i'm an anticapitalist, like thomas jefferson

and they couldnt get it anyway

What's wrong with welfare? @The Electric Lizard

Which is why it would be up to the Unions to keep wages up

thats why we have a homelessness issue even with a welfare system

@Weez There isn't anything wrong with it, As long as it is not maintained by taxes

If you make it so welfare cant support a place to live

it will defeat itself

So you want a smaller welfare state?

Since charity will NOT provide what it currently does through taxes

No, I want less public funded welfare

Why?

personally i'd like for outdoor relief to be mostly phased out

If some rich people want pay for a large welfare state then go ahead

They won't.

People should not be forced to subside others

Nor will they manage to cover it.

Why not? @The Electric Lizard

So you dont support the NHS either?

Or road tax?

Of course he doesn't

If they have earned the money it should be up to them to determine how it is spent

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the reason you should have a welfare state is because the larger your population the more innovators are going to come from that population just through shear weight of numbers.