Message from @Drywa11

Discord ID: 627604672836010035


2019-09-28 20:33:12 UTC  

Those two things cannot work together without a specific set of morals

2019-09-28 20:33:17 UTC  

Ethics

2019-09-28 20:33:28 UTC  

We simply maintain laws for basic things

2019-09-28 20:33:41 UTC  

Like murder, Theft, property rights

2019-09-28 20:33:59 UTC  

Besides that and other basic rules you can do what you want essentially

2019-09-28 20:34:09 UTC  

Do you mean fundamental?

2019-09-28 20:34:17 UTC  

Because "basic" implies to me it's simple

2019-09-28 20:34:29 UTC  

Fundamental then

2019-09-28 20:34:52 UTC  

Ok, so how do you do 2) then?

2019-09-28 20:34:53 UTC  

Just the basic rights you have, Right to life, Right to Property, Right to arms

2019-09-28 20:35:05 UTC  

Because the law must have 1)

2019-09-28 20:35:07 UTC  

Through the few laws

2019-09-28 20:35:23 UTC  

The Laws make sure that none of those rights can be broken

2019-09-28 20:35:30 UTC  

Wait

2019-09-28 20:35:40 UTC  

the problem with minimising the state to just the justice system in the modern era is automation.

2019-09-28 20:35:49 UTC  

If someone takes your property and infringes on your property rights you take them to court and potentially jail

2019-09-28 20:35:50 UTC  

The law would make sure that the law breaks none of those rights, sounds like an unanswerable system

2019-09-28 20:36:24 UTC  

The law could obviously break some of those rights temporality and only after a trial

2019-09-28 20:36:31 UTC  

Wait, no

2019-09-28 20:36:34 UTC  

The law can never break a right

2019-09-28 20:36:54 UTC  

Pieces of paper can’t act

2019-09-28 20:37:00 UTC  

If it's a right and the law breaks it, then it's not the law, it's illegitimate

2019-09-28 20:37:01 UTC  

Obviously if you kill someone and are arrested then your right to arms and liberty are temporarily forfeit

2019-09-28 20:37:24 UTC  

Ok, so you mean context

2019-09-28 20:37:51 UTC  

Laws must address the context of you having infringed on someone else's freedom

2019-09-28 20:37:57 UTC  

If someone commits a crime they are not allowed to just walk away in the name of freedom and liberty

2019-09-28 20:38:04 UTC  

Ok, right

2019-09-28 20:38:26 UTC  

They can obviously be detained and their freedom can be temporarily ended

2019-09-28 20:38:44 UTC  

And this is where the problem starts, because obviously it means that an investigation must happen before it can be determined who was in the right and who wasn't

2019-09-28 20:38:55 UTC  

And that investigation is the part that gets corrupted

2019-09-28 20:39:07 UTC  

There could of course be some problems in a justice system

2019-09-28 20:39:50 UTC  

But i think that it would be worth it for the sake of freedom and it can work on a basic level for resolving disputes between two sane parties

2019-09-28 20:40:22 UTC  

Uhm

2019-09-28 20:40:30 UTC  

That part would be for the sake of justice and order, not freedom

2019-09-28 20:41:00 UTC  

You obviously need some level of order infringing on freedom to maintain a functional society

2019-09-28 20:41:06 UTC  

Right

2019-09-28 20:41:11 UTC  

So who watches that?

2019-09-28 20:41:27 UTC  

Who watches those with the power to infringe on freedom?

2019-09-28 20:41:36 UTC  

Elected officials

2019-09-28 20:41:52 UTC  

But they're one and the same, aren't they?

2019-09-28 20:41:57 UTC  

I see your point