the real test will be this election

its the same line of thinking taken too extreme

Well... there is such a thing as ineffectual abuse.

There is good abuse and there is bad abuse.

negligence?

Which is funny.

if you want to instil punishment because 'suffering builds character, this is good for you'

a belt works pretty well

I'd never thought I could actually say there is good abuse.

bad abuse > no abuse 90% of the time tbh

"Good" abuse would be the kind a drill sergeant would use on you, to train you to be a soldier.

@Goodwood of Dank™ my revenge is complete

minimal necessary force

it isn't about a belt or about time out; it's about deprivation and fear

always the golden rule

golden rule is only half right

Not 'abuse'. Pain is not abuse by default.

maybe i hate what you like

i don't want to be treated like you

if you do so, i may react badly

the subtext of encouraging competition can come from things other than abuse, but that is the typical human source

dont' assume

@Kealor I don't think instilling fear, breaking down the child's character from the offset and making them vengeful is good for anyone, least of all you.

appears it was needed

Pain is not always bad, pleasure is not always good.

minimal necessary force still applies

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM Amen, my brother!

what is necessary changes all the time

i accept that as an axiom, Doom

exceeding the minimal necessary is overkilling it

"For everything there is a season..."

because it isnt necessary

Fuck... how does one beat their kids right, though?

And too much of anything is BAD

by shooting them

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people who have been "bad abused" do return from the darkness though

people who have seen none are doomed to fail

That's a bit far. I doubt any kids are born bulletproof.

might be just me but id atleast prefer some odds over no odds