I was into both also

Jeremy's one of those rite-whing extremists

I still debate whether centrism is real there is also an ideology at the top of the hierarchy of values

Radical right-wing. So radical I'm a Classical Liberal, and an Objectivist.

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I almost guessed the latter

I'm a classical liberal, Jeremy, that makes us literally Nazis

Didn't you know?

Centrism doesn't exist, Sam.

Yeah my point

So far right, you have gone beyond and made it to the far left.

asking a child about politics is like expected your dog to know how to dance the can-can first try

I'm probably more economically left than Jeremy

But people like to debate it

The left and right fundamentally disagree, and to differentiate between the two, opting for centric policy that creates a fascist economy is incorrect.

We disagree on the value of self-ownership.

That is, arguably, the most important.

I don't feel like my politics are easy to nail down because they are influenced by multiple ideologies

thats a weird thing to say

i dont see how there can be a disagreement of self-ownership unless youre a fascist

Mind you, this is in the context of my country's domestic politics.

I’m mostly left except for immigration tbh

This is one of the first discussions about our actual politics I've had on this god forsaken server

I’m pretty much right wing on most issues

Oh and free speech and most economics

unless you're going to delineate left/right by socialism/capitalism, then left/right is a silly division

You likely are, @Eccles. To be clear, I'm for the separation of state and economy.

i dont like the thought of aligning with a group

Except for healthcare and shit like trains where it’s impossible to have competition

I'm pro-safety net and public services

I’m ok with the government handling services, we just have to root out corruption and red tape

I'm pro- tight regulation of the markets for the purposes of protecting the nation state and keeping markets free

Well damn, me and Eccles agree

I denounce altruism in any form, Eccles. You may practice it in your daily life, but not channel it into the State under the imposition of force.

Of course we do, PeP, you hunk

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You cannot rely on privately derived welfare and services in a modern society

Until your interventions subvert the expressed purpose.

You cannot keep markets free by granting the State power to intervene.

That's why services have to be clearly delineated, and be of universal flat access to citizens

This is where I disagree