Message from @ManAnimal

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2019-09-26 00:25:00 UTC  

Can't is a mighty strong word.

2019-09-26 00:25:18 UTC  

the reality is a compartmentalized system; on one side the elite allowed to practice capitalism as long as they behave and trade as instructed and on the other side over a billion peasants

2019-09-26 00:25:34 UTC  

If you can nerve staple everyone and hook their brain up to the AI... maybe?

2019-09-26 00:25:36 UTC  

Exactly. Mercantilist.

2019-09-26 00:25:50 UTC  

not merchantilist

2019-09-26 00:25:52 UTC  

East India Company was super large, took over an entire country, still had to answer to the crown.

2019-09-26 00:25:56 UTC  

they don't get to keep their money

2019-09-26 00:26:06 UTC  

they only get to keep the property

2019-09-26 00:26:13 UTC  

there is a BIG difference

2019-09-26 00:26:40 UTC  

See, now you're thinking on the proper level of conspiracy.

2019-09-26 00:26:51 UTC  

members of the supreme soviet also had nice property

2019-09-26 00:27:00 UTC  

How much should a loaf of bread cost?

2019-09-26 00:27:16 UTC  

How much does it cost to produce?

2019-09-26 00:27:22 UTC  

Nope

2019-09-26 00:27:30 UTC  

Some good shit

2019-09-26 00:27:34 UTC  

who dictates 'should'?

2019-09-26 00:27:39 UTC  

The answer is “As much as the customer is willing to pay.”

2019-09-26 00:27:43 UTC  

what dictates 'should'

2019-09-26 00:28:18 UTC  

which means if i manipulate the customer, i manipulate the cost

2019-09-26 00:28:35 UTC  

seems there is a massive hole in your argument

2019-09-26 00:28:42 UTC  

There is no AI. No system, nothing, that can calculate that.
It happens organically. Via market forces.

2019-09-26 00:28:51 UTC  

This is why socialism always fails.

2019-09-26 00:29:16 UTC  

in theory, yes. but modern trading bots can ALREADY create market changes that look like authentic trends

2019-09-26 00:30:01 UTC  

supply and demand haven't been the primary input variables for quite some time

2019-09-26 00:30:47 UTC  

Socialism is just laziness

2019-09-26 00:31:39 UTC  

a market manipulated by an elite few for their benefit shows little difference to a top-down economy

2019-09-26 00:31:58 UTC  

The question was the practical one. And the cost of production *should* play into the hamfisted answer provided.

2019-09-26 00:32:19 UTC  

what about services?

2019-09-26 00:32:23 UTC  

So, no, not outright negation if you'd rather discuss it.

2019-09-26 00:32:32 UTC  

or IP?

2019-09-26 00:32:57 UTC  

As said, cost of production is the first question for valuation.

2019-09-26 00:33:16 UTC  

but a service doesn't nessecary have any cost of production

2019-09-26 00:33:44 UTC  

Eh, secondary costs of manpower maintenance and so on play.

2019-09-26 00:34:30 UTC  

i am of the traditional school of thought that only PRODUCTION represents true economic value

2019-09-26 00:34:50 UTC  

Eh, service is valuable as well.

2019-09-26 00:34:54 UTC  

services simply enable producers to spend more time producing

2019-09-26 00:35:08 UTC  

but they provide no lasting value

2019-09-26 00:35:09 UTC  

And manpower costs count as material in context.

2019-09-26 00:35:26 UTC  

Eh, providing that time is of lasting value.