Message from @ManAnimal

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2019-09-26 00:21:48 UTC  

China's communist gov killed children for a generation. if the chinese people tolerated THIS they will certainly tolerate an aburpt cease to all capitalistic activities

2019-09-26 00:22:18 UTC  

Well, until we get an ultra efficient AI on the top of the chain.

2019-09-26 00:23:06 UTC  

Even then, that AI would need data points delivered in real time from literally every citizen and business in the nation.

2019-09-26 00:23:07 UTC  

That genocide won't be from starvation, though.

2019-09-26 00:23:21 UTC  

It's a western fallacy to beleive Chinese would 'revolt' in the event the Communist gov put the E-brake on their economy in order to hurt the West

2019-09-26 00:23:30 UTC  

China only works because they're a mercantilist autocracy, which is communist in name only. If they were actually communist in practice they wouldn't be such a threat.

2019-09-26 00:23:31 UTC  

Yeah, and we've an infrastructure that does just that, Scale.

2019-09-26 00:23:58 UTC  

strongly disagree, arthur

2019-09-26 00:24:07 UTC  

that is what the communist gov WANTS you to beleive

2019-09-26 00:24:31 UTC  

Well, the saturation of those data points is *most* individuals *most* of the time.

2019-09-26 00:24:34 UTC  

Chyyyynar

2019-09-26 00:24:36 UTC  

You can’t substitute 327 million free thinking individuals responding to supply and demand... with a computer.

2019-09-26 00:24:51 UTC  

Which would be enough to feed an AI.

2019-09-26 00:25:00 UTC  

Can't is a mighty strong word.

2019-09-26 00:25:18 UTC  

the reality is a compartmentalized system; on one side the elite allowed to practice capitalism as long as they behave and trade as instructed and on the other side over a billion peasants

2019-09-26 00:25:34 UTC  

If you can nerve staple everyone and hook their brain up to the AI... maybe?

2019-09-26 00:25:36 UTC  

Exactly. Mercantilist.

2019-09-26 00:25:50 UTC  

not merchantilist

2019-09-26 00:25:52 UTC  

East India Company was super large, took over an entire country, still had to answer to the crown.

2019-09-26 00:25:56 UTC  

they don't get to keep their money

2019-09-26 00:26:06 UTC  

they only get to keep the property

2019-09-26 00:26:13 UTC  

there is a BIG difference

2019-09-26 00:26:40 UTC  

See, now you're thinking on the proper level of conspiracy.

2019-09-26 00:26:51 UTC  

members of the supreme soviet also had nice property

2019-09-26 00:27:00 UTC  

How much should a loaf of bread cost?

2019-09-26 00:27:16 UTC  

How much does it cost to produce?

2019-09-26 00:27:22 UTC  

Nope

2019-09-26 00:27:30 UTC  

Some good shit

2019-09-26 00:27:34 UTC  

who dictates 'should'?

2019-09-26 00:27:39 UTC  

The answer is “As much as the customer is willing to pay.”

2019-09-26 00:27:43 UTC  

what dictates 'should'

2019-09-26 00:28:18 UTC  

which means if i manipulate the customer, i manipulate the cost

2019-09-26 00:28:35 UTC  

seems there is a massive hole in your argument

2019-09-26 00:28:42 UTC  

There is no AI. No system, nothing, that can calculate that.
It happens organically. Via market forces.

2019-09-26 00:28:51 UTC  

This is why socialism always fails.

2019-09-26 00:29:16 UTC  

in theory, yes. but modern trading bots can ALREADY create market changes that look like authentic trends

2019-09-26 00:30:01 UTC  

supply and demand haven't been the primary input variables for quite some time

2019-09-26 00:30:47 UTC  

Socialism is just laziness

2019-09-26 00:31:39 UTC  

a market manipulated by an elite few for their benefit shows little difference to a top-down economy

2019-09-26 00:31:58 UTC  

The question was the practical one. And the cost of production *should* play into the hamfisted answer provided.