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we've fumbled here

But also because the NT is inherently reformist

@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU yeah I seriously do not understand your position

There are ideas superior to Christianity. They've been allowed, despite the religion, to flourish.

name one

He can't.

Thou shalt not own other human beings.

Don't fuck kids.

That one's shit.

https://youtu.be/cqECNYmM23A

There's two.

Abolitionism was led by Christians and the Church was opposed to slavery as well; fucking kids is of course forbidden

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If people didn't want to be property, they shouldn't have been born black, that's all I'm saying.

Not so much forbidden, as "don't get caught."

That's your conspiracy theory

Not so much a theory as "it was the news a few years ago. It did happen. It had been happening."

And it happens today in several Christian cults, like the Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses.

You're implying it's actually morally approved of when it's not

@Cryosite christianity was cited as the reason to abolish slavery, though. The thing with ideology inherently geared toward reformism is that it can be used appropriately as a catalyst for any social or cultural value change

Not so much "it was the news a few years ago. It did happen. It had been happening" as "I use quotation marks to be condescending."

Or that it's something that uniquely happens in the Church and not in all other institutions, including public schools, where it happens to a greater degree

@UnfilteredGarbage im not capable at the moment to articulate what i mean, so ill take it away and think on it

What did I just stumble onto?

the best i can do is to say that extremes of either end are bad, and christianity is not inherently extreme, and mostly a 'live a good life for heaven' thing

islam as a religion is different because they have the thing about suicide being justified

so that changes perspective

@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU fascism and Islamic-style fundamentalist theocracy are not opposite extremes though

Turban bad, holy cracker good

i mean in terms of a religious belief, since the totalitarians tried to do away with religion

Jihad is just extreme blasphemy laws

and muslims are the most extreme believers because of the aspect of boomboom

Actually, fascism and Islamic fundamentalism... strangely good bedfellows...

yeah theyre the same type of thing for sure

Sometimes I like to come in here during a <:BIGBRAIN:501101491428392991> discussion, and summarize the points laid out for the small brain lurkers. This is my public service.

The totalitarians replaced traditional monotheistic spirituality with culture-worship, and tied that cultural legacy to the State just as Islam wants to tie its subject of worship to the State

'one and only' is fine on the surface. 'one and only at any cost' isnt

There are bits and pieces from Christianity that are decent. Except that Christianity tries to claim things as original to it that it stole from others. And It doesn't surprise me that a community dominated by Christianity would have Christians coming up with good ideas: see Isaac Newton.

Nothing in Christianity specifically is pro abolition. It is folks deciding to ignore the bits in the Bible where Jesus said to slaves to obey their masters and so on. Or the OT rules for how to properly own slaves. They got those ideas by focusing on the bits about loving your brother and so on. Again, Christianity improves when you don't try to take it as a whole, and you pilfer it for loose bits of good morality.

ok yeah fucking stop, once you get text walls you know you've gone too far