Why is it our job to save you dumbasses when you all fuck up, if we remove the safety net you'll have to learn

communism is an inherently violent, expansionist and seditious ideology. the US was right to vociferously oppose it's spread

and look now how cultural marxism finally has a foothold in the US and the west

lol

what you're calling "cultural marxism" is the product of liberalism

This

totally disagree

So much this

the key difference is marxist power dynamics (oppressed/oppressor) and identitarianism

liberalism without those 2 things is very different from what we have today

the oppressed/oppressor dynamic is a feature of liberalism and has been since before marxism even existed

don't agree

think sargon but left of centre

marx's class analysis was influenced by liberal philosophy

influenced maybe, but it's not the same

of course it's not the same

to me, liberalism is basically the opposite of those 2 things

Also for the record there's a middle ground between the US being world police and the US being Switzerland and the world getting fucked without us

liberalism is there to enforce equal treatment under the law, and to compensate for being dealt a bad hand

compensating for being dealt a bad hand means that you are not limiting egalitarianism to equal treatment under the law

I mean in terms of universal health care and that kind of thing

In the semi modern age like mid 1900s liberalism and marxism have been driven by the same 2 things profit and some sort of freedom or equality

social liberalism already opened the door to the sort of egalitarianism we see from progressives by prescribing political action to rectify inequalities that transcend legal inequalities

They are strongly related

one thing that truly baffles me is how identitarianism became synonomous with liberalism. why can't people see that's a backslide?

that isn't to say that progressivism is entirely liberal, but it mostly is, and the illiberal strands carry the power they due by virtue of their proximity to ruling class ideology

well that's still an identitarian idea. if everybody is equal under the law, black/white/gay/etc then we don't need these grand scales-on-thumb actions like affirmative action etc

Also for the record calling yourself a classic liberals is a special way to say literally conservative

if you're for striving for equality of opportunity and you recognize that inequality of opportunity stems from an idententarian basis then doesn't it logically follow

but if everybody is equally entitled to universal healthcare, free education, etc, then there's nothing to fix

I don't call myself a classic liberal

because the idea is that these groups still face inequalities of opportunity by virtue of their identity

social liberal maybe? anti-identitarian liberal?

Yeah but I just wanted to say class liberal as a term is retarded

Phone autocorrect is too

I don't think identity should play literally any role in politics

why

because skin color doesn't matter

Well identity isn't just race

"conservatives" are just the centrist libs of your parent's generation and the progressives of your grandparent's generation

or if you're gay or whatever