Message from @Vindi

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2019-07-12 07:36:13 UTC  

yes continuing to feed into it is a bad idea and the US needs to foster self sufficiency again

2019-07-12 07:36:18 UTC  

dunno i've found WGAP side-splitting the second i heard him talk about them politicians

2019-07-12 07:36:23 UTC  

which is why trump's tarrif strategy is a good one

2019-07-12 07:37:06 UTC  

The other thing I mentioned was military tech. US seems to be a bit stuck in the 20th century. China is leapfrogging straight to space weapons and hypersonic rail guns.

2019-07-12 07:37:33 UTC  

If china can develop effective anti-ship railguns, that pretty much counters the whole strategy of the US military. If they can railgun the aircraft carriers, what's the US gonna do?

2019-07-12 07:38:02 UTC  

The us could easily be almost entirely self sufficient in a few years if our leaders had any clue what to do

2019-07-12 07:38:05 UTC  

the US also has little will to fight, though that might be changing

2019-07-12 07:38:20 UTC  

yes agree, US is well poised, but it would be a big effort

2019-07-12 07:38:38 UTC  

and even a 0.1% GDP cost would have the corporate media howling at trump's anti-market agenda blah blah

2019-07-12 07:38:59 UTC  

look at brexit -> hey we can have sovereignty again but it will cost us a couple percent of GDP

2019-07-12 07:39:07 UTC  

oh heavens tebetsy

2019-07-12 07:39:18 UTC  

I think the us populace in some level realize like there's was no reason to be in Vietnam or other similar wars

2019-07-12 07:39:33 UTC  

well, there was a reason. communism

2019-07-12 07:39:41 UTC  

it's not a reason for them to be involved

2019-07-12 07:39:44 UTC  

and the US successfully stopped communism from spreading around the world

2019-07-12 07:39:51 UTC  

But like Japan and 9/11 no one was against it

2019-07-12 07:39:52 UTC  

this only matters to the ruling class

2019-07-12 07:40:07 UTC  

that's why vietnam was continued and escelated by 5 different presidents from both republicans and democrats

2019-07-12 07:40:25 UTC  

they thought it was important to do, and we don't know how it would have turned out if the US didn't do that

2019-07-12 07:41:01 UTC  

Why is it our job to save you dumbasses when you all fuck up, if we remove the safety net you'll have to learn

2019-07-12 07:41:09 UTC  

communism is an inherently violent, expansionist and seditious ideology. the US was right to vociferously oppose it's spread

2019-07-12 07:41:24 UTC  

and look now how cultural marxism finally has a foothold in the US and the west

2019-07-12 07:41:29 UTC  

lol

2019-07-12 07:41:36 UTC  

what you're calling "cultural marxism" is the product of liberalism

2019-07-12 07:41:42 UTC  

This

2019-07-12 07:41:44 UTC  

totally disagree

2019-07-12 07:41:48 UTC  

So much this

2019-07-12 07:42:13 UTC  

the key difference is marxist power dynamics (oppressed/oppressor) and identitarianism

2019-07-12 07:42:29 UTC  

liberalism without those 2 things is very different from what we have today

2019-07-12 07:42:37 UTC  

the oppressed/oppressor dynamic is a feature of liberalism and has been since before marxism even existed

2019-07-12 07:42:46 UTC  

don't agree

2019-07-12 07:42:52 UTC  

think sargon but left of centre

2019-07-12 07:43:00 UTC  

marx's class analysis was influenced by liberal philosophy

2019-07-12 07:43:13 UTC  

influenced maybe, but it's not the same

2019-07-12 07:43:40 UTC  

of course it's not the same

2019-07-12 07:43:45 UTC  

to me, liberalism is basically the opposite of those 2 things

2019-07-12 07:43:58 UTC  

Also for the record there's a middle ground between the US being world police and the US being Switzerland and the world getting fucked without us

2019-07-12 07:44:34 UTC  

liberalism is there to enforce equal treatment under the law, and to compensate for being dealt a bad hand

2019-07-12 07:45:16 UTC  

compensating for being dealt a bad hand means that you are not limiting egalitarianism to equal treatment under the law

2019-07-12 07:45:34 UTC  

I mean in terms of universal health care and that kind of thing

2019-07-12 07:46:28 UTC  

In the semi modern age like mid 1900s liberalism and marxism have been driven by the same 2 things profit and some sort of freedom or equality