Message from @Vindi
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that's why vietnam was continued and escelated by 5 different presidents from both republicans and democrats
they thought it was important to do, and we don't know how it would have turned out if the US didn't do that
Why is it our job to save you dumbasses when you all fuck up, if we remove the safety net you'll have to learn
communism is an inherently violent, expansionist and seditious ideology. the US was right to vociferously oppose it's spread
and look now how cultural marxism finally has a foothold in the US and the west
lol
what you're calling "cultural marxism" is the product of liberalism
This
totally disagree
So much this
the key difference is marxist power dynamics (oppressed/oppressor) and identitarianism
liberalism without those 2 things is very different from what we have today
the oppressed/oppressor dynamic is a feature of liberalism and has been since before marxism even existed
don't agree
think sargon but left of centre
marx's class analysis was influenced by liberal philosophy
influenced maybe, but it's not the same
of course it's not the same
to me, liberalism is basically the opposite of those 2 things
Also for the record there's a middle ground between the US being world police and the US being Switzerland and the world getting fucked without us
liberalism is there to enforce equal treatment under the law, and to compensate for being dealt a bad hand
compensating for being dealt a bad hand means that you are not limiting egalitarianism to equal treatment under the law
I mean in terms of universal health care and that kind of thing
In the semi modern age like mid 1900s liberalism and marxism have been driven by the same 2 things profit and some sort of freedom or equality
social liberalism already opened the door to the sort of egalitarianism we see from progressives by prescribing political action to rectify inequalities that transcend legal inequalities
They are strongly related
one thing that truly baffles me is how identitarianism became synonomous with liberalism. why can't people see that's a backslide?
that isn't to say that progressivism is entirely liberal, but it mostly is, and the illiberal strands carry the power they due by virtue of their proximity to ruling class ideology
well that's still an identitarian idea. if everybody is equal under the law, black/white/gay/etc then we don't need these grand scales-on-thumb actions like affirmative action etc
Also for the record calling yourself a classic liberals is a special way to say literally conservative
if you're for striving for equality of opportunity and you recognize that inequality of opportunity stems from an idententarian basis then doesn't it logically follow
but if everybody is equally entitled to universal healthcare, free education, etc, then there's nothing to fix
I don't call myself a classic liberal
because the idea is that these groups still face inequalities of opportunity by virtue of their identity
social liberal maybe? anti-identitarian liberal?
Yeah but I just wanted to say class liberal as a term is retarded
Phone autocorrect is too
I don't think identity should play literally any role in politics
why
because skin color doesn't matter
Well identity isn't just race