Message from @Vir

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2019-07-12 07:37:33 UTC  

If china can develop effective anti-ship railguns, that pretty much counters the whole strategy of the US military. If they can railgun the aircraft carriers, what's the US gonna do?

2019-07-12 07:38:02 UTC  

The us could easily be almost entirely self sufficient in a few years if our leaders had any clue what to do

2019-07-12 07:38:05 UTC  

the US also has little will to fight, though that might be changing

2019-07-12 07:38:20 UTC  

yes agree, US is well poised, but it would be a big effort

2019-07-12 07:38:38 UTC  

and even a 0.1% GDP cost would have the corporate media howling at trump's anti-market agenda blah blah

2019-07-12 07:38:59 UTC  

look at brexit -> hey we can have sovereignty again but it will cost us a couple percent of GDP

2019-07-12 07:39:07 UTC  

oh heavens tebetsy

2019-07-12 07:39:18 UTC  

I think the us populace in some level realize like there's was no reason to be in Vietnam or other similar wars

2019-07-12 07:39:33 UTC  

well, there was a reason. communism

2019-07-12 07:39:41 UTC  

it's not a reason for them to be involved

2019-07-12 07:39:44 UTC  

and the US successfully stopped communism from spreading around the world

2019-07-12 07:39:51 UTC  

But like Japan and 9/11 no one was against it

2019-07-12 07:39:52 UTC  

this only matters to the ruling class

2019-07-12 07:40:07 UTC  

that's why vietnam was continued and escelated by 5 different presidents from both republicans and democrats

2019-07-12 07:40:25 UTC  

they thought it was important to do, and we don't know how it would have turned out if the US didn't do that

2019-07-12 07:41:01 UTC  

Why is it our job to save you dumbasses when you all fuck up, if we remove the safety net you'll have to learn

2019-07-12 07:41:09 UTC  

communism is an inherently violent, expansionist and seditious ideology. the US was right to vociferously oppose it's spread

2019-07-12 07:41:24 UTC  

and look now how cultural marxism finally has a foothold in the US and the west

2019-07-12 07:41:29 UTC  

lol

2019-07-12 07:41:36 UTC  

what you're calling "cultural marxism" is the product of liberalism

2019-07-12 07:41:42 UTC  

This

2019-07-12 07:41:44 UTC  

totally disagree

2019-07-12 07:41:48 UTC  

So much this

2019-07-12 07:42:13 UTC  

the key difference is marxist power dynamics (oppressed/oppressor) and identitarianism

2019-07-12 07:42:29 UTC  

liberalism without those 2 things is very different from what we have today

2019-07-12 07:42:37 UTC  

the oppressed/oppressor dynamic is a feature of liberalism and has been since before marxism even existed

2019-07-12 07:42:46 UTC  

don't agree

2019-07-12 07:42:52 UTC  

think sargon but left of centre

2019-07-12 07:43:00 UTC  

marx's class analysis was influenced by liberal philosophy

2019-07-12 07:43:13 UTC  

influenced maybe, but it's not the same

2019-07-12 07:43:40 UTC  

of course it's not the same

2019-07-12 07:43:45 UTC  

to me, liberalism is basically the opposite of those 2 things

2019-07-12 07:43:58 UTC  

Also for the record there's a middle ground between the US being world police and the US being Switzerland and the world getting fucked without us

2019-07-12 07:44:34 UTC  

liberalism is there to enforce equal treatment under the law, and to compensate for being dealt a bad hand

2019-07-12 07:45:16 UTC  

compensating for being dealt a bad hand means that you are not limiting egalitarianism to equal treatment under the law

2019-07-12 07:45:34 UTC  

I mean in terms of universal health care and that kind of thing

2019-07-12 07:46:28 UTC  

In the semi modern age like mid 1900s liberalism and marxism have been driven by the same 2 things profit and some sort of freedom or equality

2019-07-12 07:46:28 UTC  

social liberalism already opened the door to the sort of egalitarianism we see from progressives by prescribing political action to rectify inequalities that transcend legal inequalities

2019-07-12 07:46:42 UTC  

They are strongly related

2019-07-12 07:46:43 UTC  

one thing that truly baffles me is how identitarianism became synonomous with liberalism. why can't people see that's a backslide?

2019-07-12 07:46:59 UTC  

that isn't to say that progressivism is entirely liberal, but it mostly is, and the illiberal strands carry the power they due by virtue of their proximity to ruling class ideology