further, once you added the Federal Reserve to regulate interest rates, Capitalism behaves differently

and derivatives make it posible to profit from failure without penalty for hoarding capital

@Ϻ14ᛟ - ...and how many people on the left would describe Milo Yiannopoulos, the Proud Boys, and Carl Benjamin as alt-right? You can change it as much as you want, but if you're a dissenting conservative then you're pretty much alt-right.

It's an umbrella term, and it should be rightly recognized as a broad term. "Very conservative, but not mainstream."

point is, there is 'ideal captialism' and then the shitty implementations

they aren't all theoretical

Yeah, and communists would argue the same.

Trotskyism, Stalinism, and Maoism are all different in their implementation, while sharing a lot of commonalities.

@Arthur Grayborn It doesn't matter how other people describe them. Reality matters. There is people who know what Alt Right means and identify with it and all those people are White Nationalist Third Positionists.
Milo, Proud Boys and Sargon are all Alt Lite, not Alt Right.

no,because there has never been a successful commuinist implementation

the capitalist system has been altered

and even the altereations have shown success

Just saying capitalism isnt ever a fair comparison unless its just to another large whole like socialism

Communism has been tried, quite successfully, in small religious communities. There are tons of insular monasteries that grow their own food, and produce goods to help subsidize their operation. All community owned and operated. Private property is effectively limited to what you keep in your own bedroom.

especially compared to socialism which fails regardless of implmentation

commununism is parasitic

Milo, PB and Sargon aren’t alt lite.

Alt lite doesn’t exist.

Like when people talk about just fascism, youre fucking retarded there is a shit ton of wildly different types of fascism your statements mean nothing

it can only work by leeching off of an external group's resources

same with fascism

@Ϻ14ᛟ how would you categorize people like ramzpaul? the classic "alt-right adjacent"? He's a bit closer than alt-lite folks tend to be

@ManAnimal - A lot of Catholic Monasteries operate on a communist mode, producing their own goods and selling some to subsidize their operation. Many of them are self-sufficient.

A lot of Jewish Yeshivas were the same way, at least for a while.

both couldn't exist without leeching off of investment from the more prosperous

“Alt lite” a term used to describe people we don’t like for whom “alt right” is far too preposterous.

the catholic church funded them

Not all of these communities have a benefactor.

When communism works, you typically see it in connection with hyper-religious communities.

and the church was propped up by what they took from others

@yearspastmatter Ramzpaul is Alt Right. He is a White Nationalist and at the very least interested in Third Position (listen to his discussion with Cultured Thug he talks about this) he is just more careful with how he presents himself.

communism DOESN"T work

it just moves resources around like robin hood

without the rich there is no one to steal from

@ManAnimal - Tons of cults have done the same, and made it work. At least for a little while.

Communes have been a thing in the United States for decades, as have worker owned businesses (more syndicalist than communist though).

and the system collapses

always

Homeland still exists. Worker owned.

understood but the fact remains these are always parasitic groups

Homeland as a grocery store closely reflects what you might see in a communist system.

That's not an endorsement, just an example of communism in practice.

that cannot sustain themselvees withut an outside sponsor

@Scale_e Think of it as a scale. On one end you have NeoCon and on the other end you have Alt Right, then between Alt Right and NeoCon is Alt Lite. Its pretty simple to understand.
Alt Lite is a term to describe people who fit where I just explained they fit.

My issue with communism is that people never scale it up incrementally, and implementation at a large scale always seems to come with massive human rights abuses.

@Arthur Grayborn these communes you describe... aren’t communist. They are cooperatives existing within a capitalist country. They work because they can still engage in the capitalism that exists around them.

it cannot be scaled incrementallly