No, I genuinely believe it @Louis

And I do think there has to be a limit

I think that Principles are very important to winning.

@Ϻ14ᛟ but why does it matter? Oil flows so all is good

One needs to have strong ideals, yes. One also needs to know how to make those ideal win

they wont win just like that

unless it's ULTRA long term

Well obviously

I have to disagree, look at conservatives, what have they conserved?

And that is also valuable

Low wages?

but not strictly political

Big corporations?

Mass immigration?

Depends on the conservative.

@Snake UK right?

USA

Wat

conservatives in Murica are big Liberals 1st and foremost, so they are not about conserving much

secondly

Individual Liberty. The traditions of the Nation.

I do mean ultra long term

like

Mass immigration conservative?

The rest maybe but mass immigration?

if society collapses because Dems fuck up so much

@Louis I’m saying they failed

And yes there is conservatives for it

then Christian conservatives will prolly inherit the mess

@Snake well no shit

Liberalism IS the tradition we are trying to Conserve.

and thus "win"

@Louis Why does our nations being flooded with immigrants using a justification of these regions being destabilized and also causing terrorism in our own nations? Hmm. I wonder why that would matter.
Iran and Syria have oil. They would be happy to sell to us. It is Zionists who are preventing this and causing all of the trouble. If your care is only for oil, why would you not choose oil with no terrorism and no immigration over oil with terrorism and immigration?

Like deadass

but that's a gay ass scenario

on top of being long term

There are conservatives pro mass migration

Classical Liberalism

There is 2 kinds of general modus operandi for the elite. Action and preservation. Both are important, but only action brings change. Preservation just keeps away negative change from corrupting you.

There are also Nationalist Conservatives.

@Snake like who