@Tonight at 11 - DOOM - The problem is creeping federalism.

It's a problem in the EU, just like it is and has been a problem in the United States for the past 200 years. Government authority tends to always increase, never decrease, moving steadily towards despotism over time.

The only time you see a reversal, is during an actual revolution.

cause you want to say your shtick

kinda

not talk about the exact subject

all large organizations do that....look at the catholic church

then the self destruct in some way

@Arthur Grayborn Actual federalization would require war.

As it did with the US

OK Doom, there won't be single unified EU army under sole EU control able to depose member states, at least not any time soon

be it external or internal

EU/UN: we don't like Genocide, we want to be peacekeepers
also UN/EU: ignores the UAE ~~ ethnic cleansing ~~ "aggressive negotiations" with Yemen, and half the conflicts in Africa

Poland and Hungary are going to get it

get what?

have tanks parked in their borders "behave now"

Creeping federalism was a problem in the Roman Empire, and then it fucking imploded.
It was a problem in the Roman Catholic Church, and then it fucking imploded.

The Soviet Union, North Korea, both have become more oppressive over time.

The UN only exists to say what war crimes you are and aren't allowed to commit

wo's tanks?

the EU army

they are pushing for it, dude

@Arthur Grayborn I don't think these examples are very well chosen...

@Samaritan i thought they exist just for pretty PR purposes, they sure lost there spine ever since that one time in the 90's when they told Serbia to go fuck themselves

Creeping federalism is definitely the way to describe it

all of the higher ups want an army and they are talking about it openly

ofc they are talking about it

they've been talking about it for decades

you just haven't been listening

lol

and now u discover it

like it were something new and spooky

But this is how the EU operates

the EU

scope creep

is not a geopolitical force

They push centralisation across the board. If they can't get 100, they'll take 10

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM - There are exceptions, but they tend to be just that. Germany tore up a lot of the guild monopolies in the mid 1800s, which is why their economy was able to catch up to England before the 20th century started. The United States had a revolution, which set us "back to zero" on regulation and government control.

The breakup of the Soviet Union did the same with Russia and Eastern Europe, but the EU has been quickly changing that.

it is a club f geopolitical forces

I don't even care about the EU army I'm still stuck sperging that they DARE to make even a single law for member states

It -never- goes backwards

@shrikeclaw lets be real the EU will be really fucking stupid trying to start a war with Poland and Hungary given those countries can still call upon a certain eastern nuclear power for help, and that's assuming NATO doesn't tell them to go shove that idea in a place where the sun don't shine

They won't start a war in a member states