Message from @SuddenCringe
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But that's the intention, that they be used for the collective good.
The point is that its all rhetoric because anarchy is stupid
Revolutionary National Conservatism @Brigade?
But state owned it's not really that, it's for the good of the state.
and it just turns into state owned.
Which is fascism.
It means that the private individual does not own the factories, meaning an individual can only be *allowed to run* a factory, but it can't own it while running it
Yeah but what if you're running it and someone else wants to run it
one of the several million other people in the country
That's one of the problems, yes
and who pays for it
the maintenance
the materials
Practically speaking it doesn't work
The Soviet Union failed because of this exact problem, because you failed upwards
Being truthful was not smart, because it would get you punished. So you lied. And by lying you are a failure, because no one knows how much to produce, or how much you produced.
So incompetence got rewarded
well also they had a shitload of management positions that did literally nothing all day
Yep
Because if everyone owns something then what the fuck is the point of a manager
You get into so much problem trying to plan a nation level economy.
Well, the manager is there so someone can get punished if things go wrong
collective ownership also just
goes against human nature
So under communism your goal was to not get punished, not to produce optimally
like, if you don't own something why do you give a shit what happens to it
Two people cannot control the same item at the same time
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You get ineffective resource management, no price to rule by, corruption.
It's a shit hole.
The other issue of redistribution of wealth
Firstly
the problem of scale.
Redistribution of wealth is the less dysfunctional part of socialism
At the end of the day if you take that 99% of the money in 1% of the populations hands and divide it among the other 99% of the population the actual amount of money they get is fuck all.
I did the math on Bill Gates and it was like 1,000 dollars per person
That's minimum wage's monthly income.
collectivization doesn't necessarily = state ownership
Yeah, and also another things