Would not surprise me if this was one of the reasons why Austria still has a strong conservative voter base.

I would agree with that. Like how the Romans had the _cursus honorum_ path through civil service that all Roman politicians went through until the late empire.

Yeah. I should add that I believe mandatory services should only exist in a society that has a government and a democratic process. In my ideal society there would be no mandatory services, but in the US it makes perfect sense. I think it makes no sense to argue taxes and regulations are good, but mandatory service is bad.

If anything, mandatory service would ensure that the government gives every citizen a first chance to get a foot in the door, since quite a few people who enter military or civil services end up working there a lot longer than originally intended, plus it looks really good on the CV.

Especially people who argue that people from a certain background can't get a job would be morally required to support this.

I like this debate
http://www.browndailyherald.com/2013/04/12/taking-sides-should-the-u-s-have-a-civil-service-requirement/

No thanks

you could just require civil service for voting rights

Civil/military service + being a net tax payer = voting rights? 🤔

i would prefer that the demos be split into groups comprising the most fundamental services rendered unto society with membership predicated on filling those roles ie labor (for laborers), childrearing (for married parents), and military service (for military personnel)

Service guarantees citizenship.

you could also add a stipulation that a stint of civil service is required to participate in the process for those who haven't served as a combatant or officer

a working veteran who is married with kids would effectively have three votes

Read the novel, Death. The military is just one of many, many ways to earn citizenship in the Terran Federation.

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Too big

Alright, big think time, why is it that people desire simultaneous unfettered immigration and socialized systems?

egalitarian universalism

@Wardaddy Winston They want to be nice to everyone.

They do that by giving away everything for free, including their country, which was not obtained for free.

They can't afford to give everything away for free, especially if we enshrine giving things away for free as a human right.

Then we'll have the entire world wanting to parasitize off of us instead of building their own countries and their own houses.

But to people who have never had to build a house, or never had to pay taxes, they think that all the good things we have are free.

More so the certain group of mean jealous commies have it in their heads that because some people did some bad things a couple centuries ago, and their actions directly led to the greatest nation on Earth, that all the good things we have are not deserved and we SHOULD give it all to them and the other poor people who never deserved anything....

And that giving things to these poor people excuses and covers up all the bad things someone else's ancestors may have done.

And the people who genuinely want to be nice to everyone are compelled by these commies to give away everything their ancestors fought for and built up through unique ingenuity and skill.

If those poor people had the ingenuity and skill that we graciously presume of every American, they wouldn't need our help.

@JoeyJoestar1337 wait for it... The British press strike at men again 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔😳 Seriously, the sexist behaviour is disgraceful.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/12/country-beta-males-alphas-latin-president-tweeting-enemies#ampshare=https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/12/country-beta-males-alphas-latin-president-tweeting-enemies

Oooo lawd

1. What's wrong with having a mature man run the country?

2. I know it's her opinion, but, this should stay in her beak, don't you think?

"Which one is our most likely next prime minister? I’m afraid Boris Johnson is the worst kind: he’s a weak man who thinks he’s a strong man. See also selective antiracist Jeremy Corbyn, whose unshakeable conviction that he hasn’t been wrong in several decades has left him stubbornly incapable of being the bigger person. See also gratefully submissive Donald Trump fanboy Nigel Farage, who has spent much of the past three years hanging wanly around Washington on the off-chance of a half-hour 6pm burger with the alpha male to his beta." Okay Marina Hyde. Go back to being in your old public school uniform, where it was perhaps an all girl's school. Where you perhaps , went through the veggie contest like me. I gave in after, my dad, grilled bacon.

3.How does her criticism of manhood make her important? Why is this not a man's opinion, so, men are more aware of themselves?

Because a man wouldn't say - only old people would vote for Boris. That's not true. He has a young fan club, it's just they've had to be ultra careful about announcing it. Due to the Corbyn bullying and the milkshake's flying around. If she hadn't noticed?

And since when has a woman, got the right to call a man a "pussy"? That's something you do when your 12. This is embarrassing for me as a woman to read the undertones of sexism, bullying , and double standards. Don't you think feminista opinions should be just a thing of the past?

Gone are the days when you could compliment a man on his admirable ventures. Gone are the day's when you could show a modicum of respect without using the term "pussy"...

I swear to goodness, I hate Rupert Murdoch because I have to pay for the Time's , which is far superior reading compared to this feminists bullshit opinion.

@Jake the Exile Well said.

@Jake the Exile Yeah, that was a lot more in depth than me trying to ram the square peg of "Socialism barely works in countries with relatively static populations" into the round hole of "unfettered immigration places a hefty burden on basic welfare systems as it is".

Well said, indeed.

Personally, I think mixed market solutions work and, using medicine as an exanple, we've got a few real world examples of this working where you have what is essentially a baseline health insurance option provided by the government that private insurance and healthcare provision groups (like co-ops that build a massive HSA up) now have to compete with. However, I get "REEE"d at from one side because it still involves money and markets, but from the other side because there's any state intervention at all.

As for immigration, still fine, but control the shit out of it. We need to know who is and why they're coming into the country and there needs to be enforcement of both the law as well as the process for immigrating be it by a wall or just robust law enforcement this side of the border. As an American, I think our best option is to continue our current plan of working with the Mexican government, which has already started to show some results, but there needs to be a little more effort focusing on some of the 'secret police' esque behavior from ICE and trying to sort out what the situation _actually_ is when it comes to us losing children in our custody.

Then you get these shit heads coming in wanting only the most extreme solution of both and it's... infuriating is probably the best word.