Message from @SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck
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Ice facility raid? mean much?
One attack?
Or perhaps the attempted assassination of Scalese?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/a+war+of+words
Not all wars involve actual physical fighting (even though the majority do) TBF
But most who use words "culture war" don't claim it's an actual war.
They regularly dox, harass and beat up innocent people
bruh 4GW even states that the war in some characteristics might not even be physical
Nor is meme war an actual war.
you are clearly misrepresentating
@whiic do you consider a "cyber-war" to be an actual war?
Resistance can also be below the physical level of violence. This is via non-violent means, such as Gandhi's opposition to the British Empire or Martin Luther King's marches. Both desired their factions to deescalate the conflict while the state escalates against them, the objective being to target the opponent on the moral and mental levels rather than the physical level. The state is then seen as a bully and loses support.
@SnowPirate67 But was Gandhi's passive resistance a "war"? Was Gandhi thus by definition a warmonger, warhawk, warlord?
in some aspects yes it was a form of 4GW. They were initially denied participation and demanded redress and by their means got the goals they desired
So far nothing but strawmen, red herrings, and constantly begging the question
whole lot of logical fallacies
@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck Well, if drone strikes are not war, then how could cyber attacks (even if done by a state, against another state) be war?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/war
@whiic
War can also mean "a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism" or even "a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end" (Class War for example)
Well, I don't believe in class war.
That's a lot of crap.
@whiic I'd consider drone-strikes to be on the level of border-skirmishes, not an all-out war, but that's just my opinion 🤷🏻
And I consider "cyber war" as it exists between many countries to be even less than border-skirmishes. It's more like espionage, breach of airspace without shooting.
When digital espionage crosses to what I would consider "cyber war" is when nuclear plants melt down and there's actual casualties.
Stealing corporate secrets of a rivaling country is not literal warfare.
@whiic so would you consider the "Pig War" to be an actual war or not?
Don't know. Too specific and too historic to care.
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It'd help to look at the wikipedia article
God, I can't believe I have to do this....
TL;DR: The USA and UK got into a war against eachother over pigs
There was a single casualty....
a single pig.
Did Congress declare war?
Or did the UK declare a war instead?
I don't even find the words like starting with "decl" (declared, declaration, etc.)
So no war was declared. Not an official state of war.
And no shots were fired, so not un-official skirmish either.
By any standard, it has nothing to do with war.