Message from @D3bug_logic

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2019-08-12 16:23:06 UTC  

The last two are generally linked

2019-08-12 16:23:09 UTC  

it's absolutely inherent. The current treatment is not to help the person to acknowledge the body they are in, but to try and reinforce the ideal body. Doing so requires outside reinforcement.

2019-08-12 16:23:10 UTC  

And part of the same treatment plan

2019-08-12 16:23:30 UTC  

Refering to someone who is MtF as He is not reinforcing the ideal body

2019-08-12 16:23:40 UTC  

and causes further strife between the real and the ideal

2019-08-12 16:23:45 UTC  

@Arrias The treatment does not go to that scope, nor would it.

2019-08-12 16:23:51 UTC  

The treatment is provided by medical professionals

2019-08-12 16:23:51 UTC  

Weez persons that are gender questioning on average grow out of that and become gay. are you saying that being gay is wrong?

2019-08-12 16:23:53 UTC  

that's what it currently IS

2019-08-12 16:23:55 UTC  

Not tribunals.

2019-08-12 16:24:13 UTC  

Medical professionals like Money?

2019-08-12 16:24:19 UTC  

@D3bug_logic Nope, I'm not saying that's wrong

2019-08-12 16:24:39 UTC  

People can decide how to progress how they want

2019-08-12 16:25:00 UTC  

They can happily be gay, or look for other solutions

2019-08-12 16:25:03 UTC  

If they want to.

2019-08-12 16:25:04 UTC  

its a lie and a lie makes people weaker, making the community weaker

2019-08-12 16:25:11 UTC  

Serious question: in the simplest terms possible, what is the current "treatment" for gender dysphoria?

2019-08-12 16:25:17 UTC  

in your understanding

2019-08-12 16:25:20 UTC  

Depends on the person.

2019-08-12 16:25:22 UTC  

(based on john moneys work)

2019-08-12 16:25:27 UTC  

There's no one universal treatment.

2019-08-12 16:25:32 UTC  

Different treatment works on different people.

2019-08-12 16:25:39 UTC  

generally accepted

2019-08-12 16:25:40 UTC  

Therapy works for some.

2019-08-12 16:25:44 UTC  

Cross dressing for others.

2019-08-12 16:25:53 UTC  

Or hormone and operation.

2019-08-12 16:26:01 UTC  

It's all about the individual person.

2019-08-12 16:26:17 UTC  

cross dressing, hormone, and operation all are about reinforcing the Ideal body over the actual

2019-08-12 16:26:19 UTC  

and what about gender conversion regret?

2019-08-12 16:26:30 UTC  

therapy is what I'm arguing for

2019-08-12 16:26:31 UTC  

What about it?

2019-08-12 16:26:54 UTC  

I agree, we can have more therapy

2019-08-12 16:26:55 UTC  

you have claimed that all of the sucide is due to social stigma

2019-08-12 16:26:59 UTC  

A large amount of trans people do get it.

2019-08-12 16:27:01 UTC  

so if reinforcement of the ideal is the goal, then pronouns are key to that "treatment"

2019-08-12 16:27:07 UTC  

hence it requires outside reinforcement

2019-08-12 16:27:10 UTC  

But in some countries it's harder to get it

2019-08-12 16:27:28 UTC  

Again, it works for some people, but not for others

2019-08-12 16:27:33 UTC  

if I refer to a MtF as "he" I am damaging that "treatment"

2019-08-12 16:27:35 UTC  

It's about the individual.