Message from @Tonight at 11 - DOOM

Discord ID: 607379225221005352


2019-08-04 01:02:19 UTC  

I would consider myself to be a right leaning minor libertarian, Not a Liberal

2019-08-04 01:02:27 UTC  

Agreed, we should abolish the State, the ultimate monopoly on violence

2019-08-04 01:02:35 UTC  

dab

2019-08-04 01:02:44 UTC  

We shouldn't Abolish the State

2019-08-04 01:02:55 UTC  

But you said monopolies were bad

2019-08-04 01:03:40 UTC  

They are, And the State can deal with it, However if the State did not interfere in the market at all it would be more difficult for Monopolies to develop

2019-08-04 01:03:55 UTC  

But the state IS a monopoly

2019-08-04 01:04:20 UTC  

At least the Liberal state

2019-08-04 01:04:27 UTC  

If we could reset the economy a Minarchist State would likely work best

2019-08-04 01:04:29 UTC  

the feudal state wasn't

2019-08-04 01:05:08 UTC  

However because the state has already interfered with the economy if this was done now it would only increase the power of monopiles

2019-08-04 01:05:45 UTC  

I feel like ur just reciting talking points and not tackling the issue of the state itself being a monopoly

2019-08-04 01:05:52 UTC  

The State may have a monopoly on violence but that is necessary, I don't like it but i is necessary

2019-08-04 01:06:13 UTC  

Sup Doom, lit name change

2019-08-04 01:06:29 UTC  

sup, antisemite

2019-08-04 01:06:36 UTC  

For example what if someone steals something and refused to give it back, How does the owner of it get it back without calling on the state to inflict violence on the thief?

2019-08-04 01:06:52 UTC  

You could have a decentralized state

2019-08-04 01:06:57 UTC  

with local power structures

2019-08-04 01:06:59 UTC  

"Facebook in Czechia deletes people's posts that mention Tommy Robinson, outrageous say experts" (Google Translate is pretty decent from the quick check I made): https://zpravy.aktualne.cz/domaci/facebook-maze-prispevky-se-jmenem-tommyho-robinsona/r~f17b1a44b50211e989de0cc47ab5f122/

2019-08-04 01:07:47 UTC  

You would still end up with a central power albeit a smaller central power but a central power nonetheless with a monopoly on violence

2019-08-04 01:08:11 UTC  

They didn't have that before the Enlightenment

2019-08-04 01:08:15 UTC  

In order to have any semblance of order the state needs to have the power to inflict violence

2019-08-04 01:08:29 UTC  

you had local lords

2019-08-04 01:08:38 UTC  

over whom the king only had limited power

2019-08-04 01:08:49 UTC  

and they would be the arbiters of things local

2019-08-04 01:08:56 UTC  

And those local lords had a monopoly on the use of violence in their county

2019-08-04 01:09:15 UTC  

The monopoly of violence is not removed it is just spread to local areas

2019-08-04 01:09:16 UTC  

depends

2019-08-04 01:09:37 UTC  

You are just moving the monopoly around, You are not actually removing it

2019-08-04 01:09:41 UTC  

they may also have had nobles under their control who ALSO had privileges the Lord could not infringe upon

2019-08-04 01:10:03 UTC  

how is it a monopoly if no single body can do everything?

2019-08-04 01:10:48 UTC  

Not to mention you had ecclesiastical Lords

2019-08-04 01:10:59 UTC  

who were also responsible before the Pope

2019-08-04 01:11:04 UTC  

a foreign entity

2019-08-04 01:11:06 UTC  

It is a monopoly in their local area, Its a different type sure, But the result is the same, The government body whether they be many or few having the right to inflict violence

2019-08-04 01:11:40 UTC  

one body might have the right to inflict violence on person a in a given region, but not on person b

2019-08-04 01:12:09 UTC  

So your plan is just to split up the monopoly into local areas?

2019-08-04 01:12:35 UTC  

no, I'm asking you why isn't it your plan is you dislike monopolies and think that competition is a good thing

2019-08-04 01:12:46 UTC  

this clearly encourages competition and is less of a monopoly

2019-08-04 01:13:13 UTC  

(I'm also meming as HARD as I can, if you haven't noticed)

2019-08-04 01:13:34 UTC  

(I tend to do that to lolbertarians)