Message from @Tonight at 11 - DOOM

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2019-08-04 01:14:34 UTC  

What is your main idea then?

2019-08-04 01:15:21 UTC  

I'm asking you why are you not ok with decentralizing the state if you dislike monopolies

2019-08-04 01:17:15 UTC  

I am to an extent, I would prefer for the economy to just run itself however there would be times when the government should intervene and the government is better suited to do that if it is not completely decentralised

2019-08-04 01:18:05 UTC  

I support some Decentralisation however the State should still have the power to stop monopolies

2019-08-04 01:18:26 UTC  

why couldn't the intervention be done on a local level, by the local authority so that there can be competing models within the country itself. Surely you are for competition?

2019-08-04 01:19:16 UTC  

Because local areas don't have the power to prevent a National Monopoly like Google for example

2019-08-04 01:19:24 UTC  

why not/

2019-08-04 01:19:27 UTC  

just ban it

2019-08-04 01:20:24 UTC  

Because they simply don't have the influence, A group of largely decentralised counties will not have the same influence as a largely centralised state

2019-08-04 01:20:53 UTC  

what do you mean by influence?

2019-08-04 01:21:03 UTC  

there is lots of counties today that ban FB

2019-08-04 01:21:15 UTC  

you don need to be ultra powerful to just ban something

2019-08-04 01:21:23 UTC  

They can't influence the economy enough if they can just effect it in their local area

2019-08-04 01:21:44 UTC  

well, but there is a lot of local aread

2019-08-04 01:21:47 UTC  

areas

2019-08-04 01:22:06 UTC  

if 30% of them decide to ban something, surely it's gonna have an impact

2019-08-04 01:22:11 UTC  

and if the ban was a good idea

2019-08-04 01:22:23 UTC  

then those areas are gonna see positive change

2019-08-04 01:22:24 UTC  

Your assuming that they would all agree to stop the monopoly

2019-08-04 01:22:31 UTC  

they don't have to

2019-08-04 01:22:34 UTC  

as I said

2019-08-04 01:22:45 UTC  

banning something is extremely ez

2019-08-04 01:23:08 UTC  

If 30% decided to ban it would have an effect sure, but the monopoly would still have substantial power

2019-08-04 01:23:20 UTC  

but not on their territory

2019-08-04 01:23:27 UTC  

I guess

2019-08-04 01:23:28 UTC  

so there would be room for alternatives o grow

2019-08-04 01:23:54 UTC  

thus we don't need a monopoly on violence, Enlightenment state to fight monopolies

2019-08-04 01:23:59 UTC  

so why do we need one?

2019-08-04 01:26:38 UTC  

I think you've got me on the economic argument however i still maintain my belief that the state or local county should have a right to violence for the simple maintenance of order

2019-08-04 01:27:36 UTC  

Why give so much power to a central authority? Surely that increases the likelihood of tyranny.

2019-08-04 01:27:57 UTC  

What checks and balances will be in place on that authority?

2019-08-04 01:27:59 UTC  

At least, if one local gov is tyrannical, you can move to the other pretty ez

2019-08-04 01:28:16 UTC  

and thus avoid the tyrannical regime, just by moving from city to city

2019-08-04 01:28:16 UTC  

Well that could just be stopped by elections and the second amendment

2019-08-04 01:28:34 UTC  

why not have both?

2019-08-04 01:28:55 UTC  

What happens when local authorities ignore the constitution?

2019-08-04 01:29:10 UTC  

Why are you assuming there is a constitution?

2019-08-04 01:29:20 UTC  

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2019-08-04 01:29:20 UTC  

"and the second amendment"

2019-08-04 01:30:30 UTC  

Kokesh was thrashed