except it depends on the productions of both of them

this statement is nonsensical

they both *are* different moral systems

but then you get the narrative of the power struggle of the Marxists which is to say that people have power because they took it from others

abandoning the idea of being more popular because you align with human's necessity and desries for things thatre are fast, efficient, and cheap

the only way you can judge one as better or worse then the other is if you have your own moral system to judge them by, and if you do, you obviously consider that system to be superior to either, so it;s really not a very important distinction at all

they're both just wrong

democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others

at best one of them is less wrong then the other

it isnt perfect, but its as good as we can get, and the utopian's think they have solutions for the problems democracy brings

you are aware that this is a non-argument right?

such as corruption of some form or another

I can insert any other political system in there instead of democracy, and the statement would be unchanged in its meaning

it's just a statement of faith

and its no surprise that the people that are on the left of the spectrum are younger people, who dont know enough about the world because they have yet to get the oppertunities to learn it

I'm pretty sure medieval peasants thought the same thing about the particullar kind of monarchy they were living under

but also, without them, we arent so easily able to solve problems that they might have fresh takes on because they havent built that mental box

you're just stating vapid platitudes...

so to be opposed to democracy and by extention free markets, is to be misinformed or yet-to-be-informed about political history, philosophy, and technically speaking 'god' in the sense of 'what seems to be the best ways to live in the world that minimizes suffering'

democracy has pretty much nothing to do with free markets

and also you have those that want to see the system break down because there are psychopaths in humanity that want to achieve power or thrive in destabalisation

aka, the trope of Raiders in fallout universes

God this is depressing

you're just making statements and ignoring all the criticism

and also some people have delusions that they are way more powerful than they really are, because if they realise through learning and objective comparisons to others, then they will break down and be mentally defenseless

and the statements are basically the most vanilla shit possible in the modern western status quo

which is why Nihilism is so prevailent

and those people are called 'useful idiots' who think theyll be the next Jesus, when really theyll be another skull of the next dictator to step on to climb their throne

your internal monologue is literally mainstream opinions

that is kinda depressing in and of itself

just look at Hong Kong and their love of america compared to Americans and their love of china apparently

HK people know tyranny and oppression very well

and in fact, many people want to escape to america because their country is restrictive and it sucks

whereas the americans dont seem to want to leave their 'borderline fascist country' because they dont REALLY believe it

they do it cuz its the trendy new cult theyve been told is the right thing to do by the people they respect who show up in their bedrooms via a screen

who are equally clueless, useful idiots, or propagandized

cant underestimate the prey instinct and the safety in numbers and tribalism thats deep down in humans

mostly, people either dont realise how good they have it, or they do realise and they take pleasure in being part of a movement, or they have been propagandised and tribalised and taken in to a religion that profession to care for them (even though it results in massive death if taken too far), or they are dark sadistic people that just want to watch the world burn, or believe they can take it over and control people

dude, just get a wordpress blog

to these people that think the system is broken and wrong and evil, which it is in part, democracy is a barrier to what they 'KNOW' to be utopia

@Gear