To see each other as essentially members of the same "tribe"

However, if any of these factors are *antagonistic* then it leads to negative loyalty

Sounds natural

For instance, if one person achieving their procreative /recruitment goals means that another person *can't* procreate / recruit

Or if the only way for someone to survive, is if they kill someone else

An example of this in action, an extremely brief and spontaneous event, was given as a group of people trapped in an elevator.

Their survival has the same threat. The elevator being stuck and the fear of panic. So, if they can share a common ritual, such as calling for help to keep each other calm, and in order to recruit (procreate) someone to join them in solving the problem, this means they will likely have a fairly high loyalty.

Right now, the left and right wing in the US have increasingly disparate, and antagonistic forms of *all* these factors.

Which is why tensions have gotten so high.

The left and right often don't share much common ritual, they have competitive procreation, due to immigration, the media, and academia, and each one regards the other as a threat to survival, more than an asset to it.

Left and Right wing americans, particularly of the far left, and even moderate right, are functionally not of the same tribe. Rather, they are two separate tribes at war with one another.

Intertribal loyalty should be expected to be extraordinarily low.

There's actually a fascinating experimental demonstration of this, as well.

iirc the details, some adolescent boys were recruited into some kind of camp or recreation event, and were placed in two separate teams, which would compete with one another in various activities

There was a marked level of hostility and antagonism between them, even though they had no real history outside these initial events, and were selected arbitrarily, not based on any particular characteristics to distinguish them.

However, there was a turning point in the experiment.

At one point, the boys are riding a bus up a road, and the bus, as part of an undisclosed script, gets stuck.

To get it unstuck to continue on their journey, the two teams *must* work together.

After this event, the tensions and hostility see a marked decline.

Because they had to share a common ritual, a common goal, and a common victory.

Using this as a precedent, possibly one of the few things which could possibly mend the divide between left and right in the US today, is for them to recognize a common threat to their survival, or procreation. Ritual, maybe, but they share very little ritual, and are unlikely to adopt a common ritual without regarding it as necessary to meet one of the other two priorities.

survival is the most likely, because of how distinct their procreation has become.

In the absence of such an event, I suspect a political specieation to eventually occur, eventually culminating in the formal recognition of distinct nations.

That said, the loyalty matrix tends to have a strong organic correlation to "blood and soil" So, yeah, that's what nations tend to organize around most often.

Probably with one of the most common exceptions being religion.

Good stuff

I've heard that the Brazilian government is purposely setting the fires off for land, and the president there was democratically voted in.

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Did you know the film "Schindler's List" is based on a FICTION novel titled "Schindler's Ark".
look the book up, spend 5 mins on on the wikipedia article
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So the government has royaly screwed up with the social welfare as now Universal credit claimants can't keep up with rent so are being forced into homelessness which is affecting their universal credit as they don't have a permanent residence. Also DWP staff working in UC are going on strike and the staff have also seemed to give up communicating with claimants

It's almost as if...

@Monstrous Moonshine @Miniature Menace propatarianism is a fed operation, change my mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jDOMmk3N_A

universal credit - whose idea was that?

aha - IDS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Credit

Conservatives

the problem they were trying to solve is valid - we had 4 different work income related benefits alone

just read something i didnt know about it - it penalises large families. good.

Does it penalize large families, or does it jsut cut off after a certain point?

cut off at max 2 children

you know those stereotype poor estate roads with loads of unemployed families smoking in the doorwy shouting at their 5-6 kids?

those exist, i lived near some