Message from @James Rimor

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2019-09-09 10:36:02 UTC  

I don't think it should be

2019-09-09 10:36:08 UTC  

I think it should be about pragmatism instead

2019-09-09 10:36:19 UTC  

Well, people shouldn't starve, but they do.

2019-09-09 10:36:19 UTC  

Morality and pragmatism, not uility

2019-09-09 10:36:21 UTC  

I see what you're saying, a murderer can only become a serial killer by killing again but if the murderer is in prison for life then only a murderer not caught early enough can become a serial killer

2019-09-09 10:36:54 UTC  

That's the pragmatic side of the argument, yes

2019-09-09 10:36:57 UTC  

The only difference between the two is how quickly justice is brought down

2019-09-09 10:37:05 UTC  

Morally speaking, I'd either kill both, or none, unless I have a pragmatic reason to differ

2019-09-09 10:37:23 UTC  

For example I'd kill Hitler, but not a one-time murderer, because I think pragmatism is important

2019-09-09 10:38:05 UTC  

I'd kill neither, and extract forced labour from them to cover expenses of imprisonment and turn a profit.

2019-09-09 10:38:13 UTC  

bruh haha

2019-09-09 10:38:19 UTC  

Or that, why not

2019-09-09 10:38:25 UTC  

I see nothing wrong with it

2019-09-09 10:38:25 UTC  

Serial killers tend not to be affected by their actions so killing them is better then letting them live as they don't regret what they did. But a single murderer is more likely to regret his one murder so life is justified

2019-09-09 10:38:40 UTC  

@Goddess Tyche that is also a reasonable response

2019-09-09 10:38:49 UTC  

Why is regret important?

2019-09-09 10:38:59 UTC  

Because it adds punishment

2019-09-09 10:39:16 UTC  

It's worse to live with what you've done then be absolved of it by death

2019-09-09 10:39:32 UTC  

But we can't really tell if people regret what they did or not

2019-09-09 10:39:37 UTC  

We can be fooled easily

2019-09-09 10:40:14 UTC  

True but statistically single murderers are more likely to feel regret then serial killers because of a phycological difference

2019-09-09 10:40:25 UTC  

Justice shouldn't be about statistics

2019-09-09 10:40:51 UTC  

However there are more single murderers then serial killers so if you wanted to keep prison population down then kill the murderer

2019-09-09 10:41:13 UTC  

Oh I'm not saying justice is but I'd rather a man live knowing what he's done then letting him be free with death

2019-09-09 10:41:22 UTC  

I think that would just scare innocent people of coming forward, as well as guilty ones

2019-09-09 10:41:33 UTC  

Doesn't seem useful

2019-09-09 10:41:39 UTC  

Probably I'm just running through different scenarios

2019-09-09 10:41:55 UTC  

It's interesting to view the situation from all angles

2019-09-09 10:41:59 UTC  

Right

2019-09-09 10:42:23 UTC  

Anyway, I hope I was able to demonstrate the flaws of utilitarianism as I see it

2019-09-09 10:42:51 UTC  

Not saying we should never make utilitarian choices

2019-09-09 10:42:57 UTC  

-isms are dangerous

2019-09-09 10:43:26 UTC  

Anything taken to an extreme is dangerous

2019-09-09 11:17:45 UTC  

At least parlament is being suspended today

2019-09-09 11:19:11 UTC  

Suspended? Like, by their necks? From the streetlights?

2019-09-09 11:30:35 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613769782461857813/620581814880305162/20190909_123015.jpg

2019-09-09 11:30:46 UTC  

Well guess which fake news media has been around aztec west

2019-09-09 11:31:56 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613769782461857813/620582154161881099/20190909_123139.jpg

2019-09-09 11:32:09 UTC  

Todays religous zealot mail removed

2019-09-09 11:33:41 UTC  

Good thing I got a new shredder

2019-09-09 11:36:13 UTC  

Noice