Message from @Goddess Tyche
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Each individual counts
Surely it'd be better to make that person spend the rest of their life living with the consequences of their actions?
Death is too easy an escape
Well, that's how we've handled it so far
I see it more like this:
A serial killer is more likely to kill again, and that's why it makes pragmatic sense to kill him
True
But from a purely moralistic standpoint, there's no difference in my opinion
And since the world isn't purely moralistic, and utility matters, anti-utilitarian views are irrelevant.
Well, no I think it's not about utility
Or rather
I don't think it should be
I think it should be about pragmatism instead
Well, people shouldn't starve, but they do.
Morality and pragmatism, not uility
I see what you're saying, a murderer can only become a serial killer by killing again but if the murderer is in prison for life then only a murderer not caught early enough can become a serial killer
That's the pragmatic side of the argument, yes
The only difference between the two is how quickly justice is brought down
Morally speaking, I'd either kill both, or none, unless I have a pragmatic reason to differ
For example I'd kill Hitler, but not a one-time murderer, because I think pragmatism is important
I'd kill neither, and extract forced labour from them to cover expenses of imprisonment and turn a profit.
bruh haha
Or that, why not
I see nothing wrong with it
Serial killers tend not to be affected by their actions so killing them is better then letting them live as they don't regret what they did. But a single murderer is more likely to regret his one murder so life is justified
@Goddess Tyche that is also a reasonable response
Why is regret important?
Because it adds punishment
It's worse to live with what you've done then be absolved of it by death
But we can't really tell if people regret what they did or not
We can be fooled easily
True but statistically single murderers are more likely to feel regret then serial killers because of a phycological difference
Justice shouldn't be about statistics
However there are more single murderers then serial killers so if you wanted to keep prison population down then kill the murderer
Oh I'm not saying justice is but I'd rather a man live knowing what he's done then letting him be free with death
I think that would just scare innocent people of coming forward, as well as guilty ones
Doesn't seem useful
Probably I'm just running through different scenarios
It's interesting to view the situation from all angles
Right
Anyway, I hope I was able to demonstrate the flaws of utilitarianism as I see it