Im not saying that applying pressure to russia is fair, or that its wrong for russia to push back

@Weez - Maybe Russia should ask why all of their former colonies are so eager to join the Americans.

Russia has corrupt political systems built into it that seek to ever expand way outside their remit

ones that are not commiserate with western values in the slightest

if you just let them do whatever they wanted all of east europe would be on fire right now

The Soviet Union used to be massive, and most of those former Soviet satellite states practically BEGGED to join NATO. Even though they're former Warsaw Pact states.

I doubt that @Kealor

my dude

if russia doesnt want to expand

why would they care if someone stopped them from expanding

@Arthur Grayborn They can beg all they like. Inviting them added fuel to the fire.

That's all I'm saying

Inviting them and allowing them in made the issue worse.

It's called oppression and colonialism, @Weez. Everyone the Russians oppressed is looking for an ally to make sure it doesn't happen again.

People who couldn't get the alliance ended up suffering exactly what they feared.

Russian boots on their soil, Russian government pushing them around at gunpoint.

@Arthur Grayborn Good for them. Let them make their own pact.

Weez either you think russia wants to expand, or you think that nato doesnt affect them

pick one

Russia is expanding as a result of NATO expansion.

hahahaha

LOL. No it's not.

"i only rob banks because they are hiding money from me"

NATO is expanding because people are afraid of Russia doing what they did under the Soviet Union - colonizing them and turning them into a quasi-slave-state again.

NATO is expanding because of American imperialism.

America wants more control over Europe.

I'm out

And it got it.

He is more ok than I thought

Im okay with american imperialism because it produces societies that arent fucking cancer

Through expanding NATO.

you know like russia consistently does

It's not a fear it's a certainty.

@Kealor Our societies are cancer.

That may be true, @Weez, but we wouldn't get a bunch of signers unless people were concerned enough about the Russians to seriously consider sucking that capitalist American cock.

Americanism is cancer.

move to russia then retard

I'm good, I don't want Russia.

I'd prefer a European Europe.

I FUCKING WONDER WHY

@Weez British ism is cancer as well then?