My Ma went to college and was able to pay for it by working in the Tobacco Field with her Grandfather; and then graduated with no Student Debt

Times change

He also left home at 13

After his Father said he was Worthless

With the way public schooling works, kids are going into their late 20s as if they were children.

I know people at my college going on 22 or 23 who I would have assumed had just gotten out of high school.

Literally spent their childhood and teens learning jack shit, and now they are starting a basic education when they should be kicking off their careers.

It’s helping to extend childhood way into adulthood.

And when you have Adults that behave as Children (not meant as an insult) it's a lot easier to keep them dependent on Mommy Government

"We don't know any better, so we'll let the Government tell us what to do"

It’s specifically designed to create low info voters

@HurtChain Do you really want to give schools the onus of educating children in politics?

its bad enough they don't even teach basic trade skills

@Jokerfaic it's more societally valuable to find every person with an aptitude for STEM and waste everyone else's time then it is to eat into the former's productive lifetime anymore than possible.

I mean super basic bitch salable skills, like workshops

though it wouldn't be hard to convince me the lack of 'shop classes was a uniquely Oregonian failing

that's why you're taught stuff like the quadratic formula that you will never use in day to day life, because it's more valuable to teach everybody it and only have a small minority actually use then it is to teach those people later.

@Jokerfaic In Australia we had metal and wood working as year 9-10 classes, not sure about 11 and 12, but school wasn't mandatory at that point so if you wanted to you could leave to peruse a trade.

All that said, I'm not saying the school system as it is doesn't have failings, I'm just pointing out why it is the way it is.

Well school is compulsory K - 12 here in the US, and I don't see how that invalidates my point. Not everyone's going to find themselves needing to use hand or power tools, but it'd be nice if they knew how

At around year 9-12 you should have a reasonable Idea what you want to go into, and choose to take shop classes if you want, but there's still the thing about finding potential STEM students being more valuable than the 2-4 years of a tradeie's time post schooling.

I don’t think any school could honestly teach politics well.

But there is so much room for improvement with teaching history, ethics, finance, and fitness.

Especially fitness.

My gym classes were just an hour of passing a ball around.

No one got in better shape

We had PE once a week

No one learned how to lift weights or diet properly or anything.

Too little

Fat asses like myself got through with a and b

It's possible but not reasonable to expect students to know what courses they should pick because the schools and universities don't teach them about past and recent trends in the marketplace. We can't expect a 15-18 y/o to be interested in such things, instead it must be parents who are shown this information by the schools and then they inform their kids about it.

But if schools were to present this data to parents then they'd be doing *actual meaningful and useful service* to the kids and that's never going to happen

Why? Because of the public school system

It has literally 0 incentive to do any of this

When a child is in class, they aren’t with their parents and they aren’t running around outside.

You need to make up for the lost parenting time and exercise time.

You can talk about parents doing their job properly and all that, but mandatory school puts way too big of a hole in the development process.

I can’t even remember my class rooms from elementary school.

How old are you?

In my nation, they push whole day schools goinf from 8am to 4pm

Forgetting how your class rooms looked should be reserved for the senile <:slurpgon:583424900732157956>

I’m 20