Message from @ETBrooD

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2019-11-05 04:22:48 UTC  

Facts don't care about your feelings.

2019-11-05 04:23:14 UTC  

The reason why the term "agnostic atheism" was coined in the first place is because the idea of atheism evolved over time as more people became atheist. It started out as a rejection of God, and evolved into a rejection of the supernatural. But later it evolved further, because more and more self-proclaimed atheists appeared (most of them just average Joes, not scholars), and they realized that most of them are agnostic, not atheist.

2019-11-05 04:23:38 UTC  

fedorasexuals

2019-11-05 04:23:56 UTC  

If all those people hadn't claimed to be atheists (most of them falsely), this distinction would've never had to be made.

2019-11-05 04:24:00 UTC  

Throw an F into the alphabet soup for fedora

2019-11-05 04:24:11 UTC  

too many As for atheist or agnostic

2019-11-05 04:24:38 UTC  

It's like political theory, it evolves over time, and unfortunately a lot of bad ideas enter the ring.

2019-11-05 04:24:49 UTC  

Many ideas that are just plain stupid

2019-11-05 04:25:07 UTC  

It happened to a lot of philosophies, too

2019-11-05 04:25:25 UTC  

Someone has a useful idea, everyone else tears it apart until it loses its meaning

2019-11-05 04:27:22 UTC  

Not sure what I should make of that

2019-11-05 04:27:33 UTC  

Supposed to make me laugh?

2019-11-05 04:27:52 UTC  

Aren't you a gnostic atheist?

2019-11-05 04:27:56 UTC  

No

2019-11-05 04:28:29 UTC  

So a theist, then.

2019-11-05 04:28:34 UTC  

No

2019-11-05 04:28:48 UTC  

So not atheist and not theist. Not-theist?

2019-11-05 04:28:53 UTC  

Yeah

2019-11-05 04:29:04 UTC  

Not theist? Or not-theist?

2019-11-05 04:29:10 UTC  

Both is correct 😄

2019-11-05 04:29:33 UTC  

I mean, if there's a different between a-theist and non-theist, there must be difference between not theist and not-theist.

2019-11-05 04:29:43 UTC  

I'm not theist, I'm not atheist, I'm simply agnostic. I'm open to the idea that God could exist, because if it's impossible to prove or disprove him, then that's the end of the debate basically.

2019-11-05 04:29:53 UTC  

Gnostic or agnostic not-theist?

2019-11-05 04:29:59 UTC  

agnostic

2019-11-05 04:30:40 UTC  

I used to be an atheist in my younger years until I realized that position is equally untenable as being a theist

2019-11-05 04:31:02 UTC  

Nowadays I could perhaps be considered an empiricist

2019-11-05 04:31:10 UTC  

Not sure

2019-11-05 04:31:36 UTC  

Tell be about "a" and "not" being different.

2019-11-05 04:32:06 UTC  

Damn.

2019-11-05 04:32:15 UTC  

Removed the image by accident:

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2019-11-05 04:32:20 UTC  

Look

2019-11-05 04:32:56 UTC  

Linguistically speaking you can say it has the same meaning, but the history of atheism isn't fixated on that, because the historical context made it so that different terminology had to be invented as the idea evolved over time.

2019-11-05 04:33:19 UTC  

Therefore atheism and non-theism is not the same today, even though it could've happened to be the same if history had gone differently

2019-11-05 04:34:19 UTC  

It's like the difference between being social and being pro-social. You can argue it means the same thing, or not, depending on how you're arguing.

2019-11-05 04:34:39 UTC  

The terminology is not as important, the meaning or the definition is what matters

2019-11-05 04:34:53 UTC  

Agnostic atheism and non-theism is the same.

2019-11-05 04:35:17 UTC  

No they're not, I've explained why that isn't the case

2019-11-05 04:35:33 UTC  

Yeah, you believe in non-god supernatural, then.

2019-11-05 04:35:39 UTC  

lol no

2019-11-05 04:35:47 UTC  

I explained that in even greater detail