Message from @ETBrooD

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2019-11-05 04:28:29 UTC  

So a theist, then.

2019-11-05 04:28:34 UTC  

No

2019-11-05 04:28:48 UTC  

So not atheist and not theist. Not-theist?

2019-11-05 04:28:53 UTC  

Yeah

2019-11-05 04:29:04 UTC  

Not theist? Or not-theist?

2019-11-05 04:29:10 UTC  

Both is correct 😄

2019-11-05 04:29:33 UTC  

I mean, if there's a different between a-theist and non-theist, there must be difference between not theist and not-theist.

2019-11-05 04:29:43 UTC  

I'm not theist, I'm not atheist, I'm simply agnostic. I'm open to the idea that God could exist, because if it's impossible to prove or disprove him, then that's the end of the debate basically.

2019-11-05 04:29:53 UTC  

Gnostic or agnostic not-theist?

2019-11-05 04:29:59 UTC  

agnostic

2019-11-05 04:30:40 UTC  

I used to be an atheist in my younger years until I realized that position is equally untenable as being a theist

2019-11-05 04:31:02 UTC  

Nowadays I could perhaps be considered an empiricist

2019-11-05 04:31:10 UTC  

Not sure

2019-11-05 04:31:36 UTC  

Tell be about "a" and "not" being different.

2019-11-05 04:32:06 UTC  

Damn.

2019-11-05 04:32:15 UTC  

Removed the image by accident:

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2019-11-05 04:32:20 UTC  

Look

2019-11-05 04:32:56 UTC  

Linguistically speaking you can say it has the same meaning, but the history of atheism isn't fixated on that, because the historical context made it so that different terminology had to be invented as the idea evolved over time.

2019-11-05 04:33:19 UTC  

Therefore atheism and non-theism is not the same today, even though it could've happened to be the same if history had gone differently

2019-11-05 04:34:19 UTC  

It's like the difference between being social and being pro-social. You can argue it means the same thing, or not, depending on how you're arguing.

2019-11-05 04:34:39 UTC  

The terminology is not as important, the meaning or the definition is what matters

2019-11-05 04:34:53 UTC  

Agnostic atheism and non-theism is the same.

2019-11-05 04:35:17 UTC  

No they're not, I've explained why that isn't the case

2019-11-05 04:35:33 UTC  

Yeah, you believe in non-god supernatural, then.

2019-11-05 04:35:39 UTC  

lol no

2019-11-05 04:35:47 UTC  

I explained that in even greater detail

2019-11-05 04:35:55 UTC  

You have your definitions where atheist cannot believe in elves, where as non-theists can.

2019-11-05 04:36:02 UTC  

...

2019-11-05 04:36:04 UTC  

And you are a non-theist, not an atheist.

2019-11-05 04:36:11 UTC  

Have you already forgotten the difference between supernatural and paranormal?

2019-11-05 04:36:29 UTC  

So you believe in paranormal?

2019-11-05 04:36:34 UTC  

I don't, no

2019-11-05 04:36:44 UTC  

What is your point?

2019-11-05 04:36:56 UTC  

Other non-theists can believe in the paranormal

2019-11-05 04:37:17 UTC  

If you don't believe in supernatural or paranormal, you are even by your re-definition, an atheist, rather than non-theist.

2019-11-05 04:37:18 UTC  

Since I don't, clearly there's a separation between them and me. But we all don't believe in the supernatural.

2019-11-05 04:37:54 UTC  

No, an atheist rejects God(s) altogether, I don't

2019-11-05 04:38:02 UTC  

So you are a theist?

2019-11-05 04:38:03 UTC  

I allow for the *possibility* that God(s) could exist

2019-11-05 04:38:10 UTC  

No, I see the possibility only

2019-11-05 04:38:15 UTC  

That's agnostic atheist.