Message from @whiic
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Only fedoras are.
If you say gnostic atheists are fringe or a subgroup of atheism, then atheism wouldn't realistically have any branches at all.
wow I didn't realize quite how much debate this would kick up...
I don't know if they are "fringe" or not, but they are definitely a subgroup.
Look, just because most people believe in X or Y or Z doesn't mean the pillar of an idea is suddenly no longer the pillar
Most people are pretty much not informed at all about these things
By **DEFINITION** of what "subgroup" is, if agnostic atheists exist (even if by one member) then gnostic atheism becomes a subgroup of atheism.
Ok, let me try to explain something here
If one fucking agnostic atheist is in existence, then gnostic atheism is just a fucking **subgroup** of atheism.
I know you are offended by this **FACT**.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
The reason why the term "agnostic atheism" was coined in the first place is because the idea of atheism evolved over time as more people became atheist. It started out as a rejection of God, and evolved into a rejection of the supernatural. But later it evolved further, because more and more self-proclaimed atheists appeared (most of them just average Joes, not scholars), and they realized that most of them are agnostic, not atheist.
fedorasexuals
If all those people hadn't claimed to be atheists (most of them falsely), this distinction would've never had to be made.
Throw an F into the alphabet soup for fedora
too many As for atheist or agnostic
It's like political theory, it evolves over time, and unfortunately a lot of bad ideas enter the ring.
Many ideas that are just plain stupid
It happened to a lot of philosophies, too
Someone has a useful idea, everyone else tears it apart until it loses its meaning
Not sure what I should make of that
Supposed to make me laugh?
Aren't you a gnostic atheist?
No
So a theist, then.
No
So not atheist and not theist. Not-theist?
Yeah
Not theist? Or not-theist?
Both is correct 😄
I mean, if there's a different between a-theist and non-theist, there must be difference between not theist and not-theist.
I'm not theist, I'm not atheist, I'm simply agnostic. I'm open to the idea that God could exist, because if it's impossible to prove or disprove him, then that's the end of the debate basically.
Gnostic or agnostic not-theist?
agnostic
I used to be an atheist in my younger years until I realized that position is equally untenable as being a theist
Nowadays I could perhaps be considered an empiricist
Not sure
Tell be about "a" and "not" being different.
Damn.
