Message from @Monstrous Moonshine

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2019-11-11 03:32:20 UTC  

if they eventually call themselves that by their choice in the culture, fine

2019-11-11 03:32:23 UTC  

Nah I don’t think so

2019-11-11 03:32:30 UTC  

Reactionaries reject it

2019-11-11 03:32:34 UTC  

in america during the formation of the wigg party yes thats what it means

2019-11-11 03:32:46 UTC  

christianity was extremely progressive

2019-11-11 03:33:01 UTC  

> Whig history is a form of liberalism, putting its faith in the power of human reason to reshape society for the better, regardless of past history and tradition. It proposes the inevitable progress of humankind. Whig history has many similarities with the Marxist theory of history, which presupposes that humanity is moving through historical stages to the classless, egalitarian society to which communism aspires.

2019-11-11 03:33:07 UTC  

It is just a less radical form of Marxism

2019-11-11 03:33:12 UTC  

lmao

2019-11-11 03:33:24 UTC  

and thats from what?

2019-11-11 03:33:44 UTC  

Read Revolutions and the revolutionary tradition in the West, 1560–1991 by David Parker

2019-11-11 03:33:44 UTC  

wiki

2019-11-11 03:34:09 UTC  

so where is the whig party?

2019-11-11 03:34:20 UTC  

What?

2019-11-11 03:34:58 UTC  

I'm saying the view of Whig Historiography is just a less radical version of Marxist Historiography

2019-11-11 03:35:18 UTC  

yea that sounds more like revisionist history

2019-11-11 03:35:23 UTC  

One of inevitable social progress towards liberalism, often presented positively

2019-11-11 03:35:32 UTC  

by marxists that claim liberalism is a step towards marxism

2019-11-11 03:35:46 UTC  

Youtube is Facilitating the Scamming of MILLIONS While Doing NOTHING About it
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvE2SBiPc_4

2019-11-11 03:35:47 UTC  

It has many parallels

2019-11-11 03:35:54 UTC  

liberalism = freedom to do what you want so long as it doesnt hurt other people

2019-11-11 03:35:59 UTC  

Egalitarianism is one of them

2019-11-11 03:36:01 UTC  

its like saying christianity is marxism

2019-11-11 03:36:11 UTC  

marxism = fuck you if you do any of these things, or dont give your money to the state, youre gulagged

2019-11-11 03:36:13 UTC  

Not really, read up the quoted part again

2019-11-11 03:36:47 UTC  

>liberalism = freedom to do what you want so long as it doesnt hurt other people
That's denying the societal impacts of individual's actions

2019-11-11 03:36:51 UTC  

obtaining food is the goal of marxism, because captial markets do it thats marxism

2019-11-11 03:37:20 UTC  

Marxism is a radical egalitarian philosophy which aims to remove all barriers

2019-11-11 03:37:30 UTC  

They tend to focus more on class barriers

2019-11-11 03:37:47 UTC  

Lately they have been focusing on gender and sexuality

2019-11-11 03:38:27 UTC  

Traditonalism is embracing these barriers and the reality of Natural Order

2019-11-11 03:38:36 UTC  

while I agree there consequences to everyones actions and take a more extensionality perspective on it (see dostophesky or solzenhen).
Force does not equate to a better way

2019-11-11 03:38:57 UTC  

as the catholics would say you can do anything you want but would be better off doing these things

2019-11-11 03:39:20 UTC  

but a free choice made is better than a coerced choice

2019-11-11 03:40:02 UTC  

It depends on a lot of factors

2019-11-11 03:40:27 UTC  

Homogeneous societies are the optimal conditions for Traditional societies

2019-11-11 03:40:59 UTC  

but can become stale and unproductive and prevent changes that could improve society

2019-11-11 03:41:03 UTC  

Deracinated, atomized hedonist multiculturalism is optimal for Marxist egalitarianism

2019-11-11 03:41:43 UTC  

Where everyone is a rootless transnational individual disconnected from his heritage, living in a pod and eating bugs

2019-11-11 03:42:02 UTC  

yes but hedonism will lead to a swing back towards traditionalism as it currently is now

2019-11-11 03:42:22 UTC  

Good and we need to accelerate it

2019-11-11 03:42:34 UTC  

ugh an accelerationist...