Message from @ShardS

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2019-10-16 18:23:41 UTC  

Yes, however much of that happened in the last 70 years. with the biggest increase happening after the assassination of JFK, and contueing into the Obama era

2019-10-16 18:23:49 UTC  

unless you go for proportional representation

2019-10-16 18:23:59 UTC  

(in the centralization of power)

2019-10-16 18:24:00 UTC  

which is WAYYY more centralized than first past the post

2019-10-16 18:24:22 UTC  

id say the biggest increase was either wilson or fdr

2019-10-16 18:24:45 UTC  

both of them were big government proponents that got extra leeway due to a war/depression+war

2019-10-16 18:24:51 UTC  

I was a fan of STV system.. where if your first choice wasn't chosen, you'd get a second vote for a backup choice.

2019-10-16 18:25:31 UTC  

fdr of course made most of the social programs that eat up half our budget (the rest are from lbj), and the cia

2019-10-16 18:26:03 UTC  

wilson made the income tax an amendment and pressured the court to allow male drafting without voting

2019-10-16 18:27:09 UTC  

jfk/lbj are a good third place though ill admit

2019-10-16 18:27:42 UTC  

Preferential voting would be really bad imo @kennith. It would basically just mean a permanent Liberal Party dictatorship, because all CPC voters would put them Libs over NDP and all NDP voters would be Libs over Cons.

2019-10-16 18:27:57 UTC  

And that system can actually make it harder for small parties

2019-10-16 18:27:58 UTC  

I do agree wit that assessment.

2019-10-16 18:28:25 UTC  

Like in France the National Front gets almost no seats even with 20-30% of the public supporting them

2019-10-16 18:28:32 UTC  

because most people dislike them

2019-10-16 18:28:39 UTC  

fptp is less powerful and less damaging when only house members are directly elected

2019-10-16 18:28:42 UTC  

FPTP appears unfair, but I think it may be.. the most fair.

2019-10-16 18:29:04 UTC  

its the least unfair

2019-10-16 18:29:15 UTC  

that's the way to word it 😎

2019-10-16 18:29:17 UTC  

none of them are remotely fair

2019-10-16 18:29:43 UTC  

something though, the us is designed for gridlock

2019-10-16 18:30:02 UTC  

I suppose the issue is that people get upset that the party that forms majority is not always the popular party.. (eg. trump)

2019-10-16 18:30:06 UTC  

ironicaly right now the system is closer to how its intended to work than it has been for deccades

2019-10-16 18:30:18 UTC  

but people forget that they only get a vote for their local MP.

2019-10-16 18:30:23 UTC  

not anything else 😛

2019-10-16 18:30:48 UTC  

well, thats actualy due to the citizens voting on president

2019-10-16 18:31:26 UTC  

i think perhaps a seperation between local representation and who takes federal power might be needed.

2019-10-16 18:31:32 UTC  

IIRC you get to vote on president, but the elctoral college makes the real vote?

2019-10-16 18:31:36 UTC  

the way it used to work is that the state govenor appointed electors confirmed by the state senate to vote for the president

2019-10-16 18:32:03 UTC  

but then the states changed it so that the electors are all of the party that recieved the most votes

2019-10-16 18:32:25 UTC  

because my local conservative or liberal might be the best option, but i sure as hell don't want either of them in power federally.

2019-10-16 18:32:26 UTC  

in effect, it forced you to pay attention to your state government

2019-10-16 18:32:55 UTC  

we really never pay attention to state governments anymore, which is bad because something like 95% of legislation in the us is state level

2019-10-16 18:33:04 UTC  

in any given state.

2019-10-16 18:33:05 UTC  

@Shai'tan complicated... isn't it.

2019-10-16 18:33:28 UTC  

@ShardS that change sounds like it was pretty damaging.

2019-10-16 18:33:38 UTC  

Sounds... unconstitutional

2019-10-16 18:33:41 UTC  

but it was for democracy so it's good

2019-10-16 18:33:59 UTC  

nah, the constitution says that electors can be assigned as the state wishes

2019-10-16 18:34:15 UTC  

ahh, damn, nothing to fallback on then.

2019-10-16 18:34:51 UTC  

the reason its not popular vote, is that the president unlike senators or representatives is supposed to represent every state