What's not often paid is things like room expenses or time by doctors, so if you refuse to pay at all they may not have TV or shut off the lights in your room, but you will still get medical care

There's a 30 minute emergency wait time in the U.S., 2 hours total with treatment, compared to about 9 hours in the UK and Canada. That's emergency care. Long term care for even basic things can take weeks or even months

And on top of that, we already qualify as having "universal healthcare". By defintion it just means most people have access to quality healthcare, and they do. Single payer is the term most people are looking for, but European countries tend to have vastly different healthcare systems

There is no set Scandinavian or European model. It's basically just propaganda

"How come the country with the best healthcare in the world and that invents over 90% of the cures has terrible healthcare?! SMH."- if it sounds too crazy to be true, it's often a liberal lie.

Epic

90% of the cures that people probably dont have money for

You do have a point with waiting times

But yeah ur insurance companies suck

I can put a list of stories here

About absurd payments

"Universal healthcare" "technically qualifying"
Ummmmm

You do know like about 10 million dont have insurance

Uninsured doesn't mean no healthcare. Under ACA you can have healthcare and insurance and be classified as "uninsured". For instance if you have catastrophic and pay out of pocket for incidentals (which is cheaper than the cheapest ACA plans) you are "uninsured".

@Jym ok thanks for telling me

And aren't your insulin prices so insanely high that Americans have to come to CANADA to buy insulin?

How about bring real universal healthcare than this bs

Because commies and socialists get the helicopter in our hearts, fam.

The real trouble with american healthcare is a mixture of protectionism and government-assisted insurance profiteering. Same as our education.

Only this year was there an effort made to actually allow the importation of foreign-manufactured drugs; There was no competition from outside of the system.

Which is how a competitive market does *not* work.

When there's a 'small' pond with a few big fish, they don't have too much reason to actually compete with each other as long as they keep eating smaller fish.

So, they can all just price gouge together and claim it's an industry standard.

Within my father's living memory, you could get entire surgeries for under 100$; But the patient's end costs have spiralled well in excess of actual inflation with the advent of medical insurance.

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Lol wuttt

Best timeline

Again on medicine prices basically the way the law works here when you develop a new drug you get a local monopoly on it. This pays for the R&D which is why most new treatments are developed here. So when people go to Tijuana to buy medicine it's often the same drug from the same company sold at a lower rate. I'm perfectly OK with changing that.

Allowing for the re-importation of medicines sold more cheaply in neighboring countries is a pretty big net win in my opinion.

Hospitals usually operate not all that far out of the red; It's the pharmaceutical companies that rake in the big cash from how shit works right now.

That's pretty spicy.

> 2017: Reality stars becoming politicians

> 2019: politicians becoming reality stars

Sure but the likely outcome would be an increase in price for overseas sales. Which is only fair if they want American medicine they should help pay the R&D.

I don't count the medical industry innocent here either. They use certificates as a barrier for entry to competition. Like I have a buddy who did 2 tours as an army medic. Uncle Sugar considers him perfectly qualified to treat gunshot injuries in Afganistan but not qualified to render basic medical care at home. And why do you need a bachelor's in English Literature to go to medical school?

Medical school should just be another trade school

See, that sounds good when on paper, but something bothers me about a doctor with the same motivation and work ethic of a craftsman or welder. Often times there isn't an opportunity to say "oops, oh well, lets try again" when its a human life at stake rather than a crossbeam

that being said, nothing wrong with observing what effect medical schooling might have on current pricing.

And no shade on the impecable work ethic of tradesmen, just saying its not a one size fits all thing

Im not necessarily making medical school a on year trade schtick

More just removing the bachelors degree requirement or reducing it

Lowering the requirements to entry, generally lowers the end product.

IE, shittier doctors.