There are homeless camps on and under every single bridge and overpass

Its the same in Oregon and Washington in the big cities

Can confirm. Found hundreds of people under bridges in portland. Smelled like piss.

It's a mess. There are a lot of really great cities in the middle of the country but the coast and NE just seem to be shitholes most of the time. And it costs more to live there. I can't see why anyone does it.

in strictly practical terms, what can be done with homeless people? the majority of them have mental illnesses, severe drug problems, or both. it's not likely that they can ever be reformed to the point of being self-sufficient members of society.

you could go to any major left coast city and find thousands and thousands of them. what do we do with them all?

So far as the left coast it is not a solvable problem. Like here if you're a homeless alcoholic/ addict you can go to a shelter and get yourself cleaned up. And with an entry level job you can get a shit apartment, pay bills, but groceries and get your life together. In LA? Even if you get your shit together you won't be able to earn enough to make your life happen.

maybe instead of letting farmers hire mexicans on a seasonal basis we can have them hire homeless people (after they've been through detox and mental health screenings)

get the homeless out of urban areas where they can't make any progress

and have farm labor being done by americans instead of mexicans

easier said than done

you underestimate the mexican work ethic

oh i don't think for a moment that this problem will be solved. just wondering how it possibly could.

Id like to think optimistically that there is a way if we could get our congress to stop its mudslinging contest long enough to do their jobs. But that's almost wishful thinking at this point.

Yeah I mean it's not Mexican work ethic but really migrant work ethic. I get that it is different in Europe where they have big welfare states but mostly people come here for work. Mexican guy bought the house down the street and has, in the last year, put in 4star energy windows and re-roofed it. Has his oldest out doing the lawn and hedges every weekend.

But like I know a Chinese guy in properties and he's the same way. Works 60 hour weeks at his Subway franchise and manages properties when he isn't doing that. Or I got an Uber from a Nigerian guy who is also a CE....

I mean some helpful soul was building tiny homes for them

Till the left in LA tore them down

I dont think anything is going to get done in LA until the next election. If people choose to get better senators/congresspeople so things can be done. But again, wishful thinking I have little faith.

back in the day migrants came to become americans. now they come to bring their country to ours. To create insulated communities of their own kind

Not quite the same thing... in my opinion

Besides the forefathers didnt create America for it to be a country of migrants... It was created by anglo-saxxan protestants for anglo-saxxan protestants. The forefathers wanted a place for their future generations to flourish and benefit from their sacrifice.. America isn't an idea, its a people. Perhaps if specialized labor is needed at a specific time and for a specific purpose, migrants are a good idea.. for example german scientists during WW2. So we could gain an advantage and technology.

But just.. migrants for the sake of migrants... That never was the purpose of America.

Also we have admitted more then 50 million people from foreign countries since just the 60's. I think we have plenty of migrants already lol.

First that is kind of a mythology. Anglos are the fourth largest minority in the US the largest is German-Americans. Beyond that the first Americans were not homogenous. You had Puritans, Cavaliers, Scotts-Irish, and Quakers. They did not get along and in fact often thought of each other as completely degenerate (read some of the Puritan observations of the Scotts-Irish. They make David Duke look positively multi-cultural).

But you are quite correct that the *purpose* of immigration is to *make more Americans* and that is where we have a problem. Official legal on-the-books we naturalize about 600K a year. We can totally integrate that number we could likely go up to 1M and successfully turn them in to Americans. The problem is the **millions** of non-citizen visa walkers and border jumpers. That is too big a bit to swallow. Without enforcing immigration law we cannot turn that many people into Americans......

Well see I think we are finding out that we actually cant integrate even 600k a year. Also what is common among the puritans.. cavaliers, scotts-irish and etc.

Also keep in mind that half of our country is telling them they dont need to or should even want to integrate, because thats "racist".

OK those people are idiots.

I think we just need to take a step back and really look at whats happening to our country. Its traditions... heritage... ideals... are under attack. Being systematically destroyed... if we cannot find a identity to unify behind that goes beyond just being an American... well then what it means to be an American... will be totally changed before our eyes.

Then our desires... our thoughts of what America WAS.... well it will be no more... hate speech laws.... no right to bear arms... etc etc

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Being American is not complicated. Go on Amazon and look for a complete Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Federalist Papers. It's like a pamphlet. And unknown to most who were 'born American'

Yessir... now read the 2nd federalist paper

he clearly outlines the identity of America, and it goes beyond just an idea. let me see if i can pull out an excerpt real fast

here is a nice summary

"Jay continues that there is no longer a common consensus that America's prosperity depends on being firmly united. At the time of writing, some politicians (with increasing amount of supporters) argued that the country should not have a central government, and should instead exist as separate sovereign states. Jay's aim is to answer this argument. First, he contends that the country is already united in several natural ways. The geography of the beautiful land suggests that we remain a united people because the navigable streams and rivers, which encourage transportation and trade, connect the states. More importantly, he argues that the people worship the same God, come from the same land, speak the same language, have similar manners and customs, and believe in the same principles of government."

John Jay was onto something... the true identity of America that will unify us and keep our ideals intact for many generations

Jay was a little to into centralized government for me but that was the point of the Federalist papers to layout the positive argument for *even having* a federal government. As to the part you quoted I agree. Like I said the purpose of immigration is to *create new Americans* to assimilate them into that same language custom and manner.

This goes to a more fundamental question... of whether or not these migrants and etc... even WANT to do this

so should English be an official language?

let alone if they can... Honestly.. im not sure