Message from @Might Guy
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@Might Guy
The whole "nation building" schtick was only part of the Neocon program. Domestically they sought to sell the American people a lot of socialist pogroms by painting them as "right wing" (remember 'kinder gentler'?). In that latter sense I suppose there are Neocons here.
I don't fit either.
I don’t know what kinder gentler was
Could you enlighten me on it
But yes upon further reflection the neocons included a lot of illiberal religious people
And libertarians
Bush's domestic policy. 'Kinder gentler' another slogan was 'compassionate conservativism'. But basically trying to re-brand socialism in right wing terms. So *domestically* Tucker Carlson is straight Neocon.
So is that welfare/food stamps
Oh God no the libertarians universally opposed Neocons. Probably the best critique of that political philosophy was *Leviathan on the Right* from CATO.
Sorry
I had just listened to endeavors latest stream
Ol' Ted Cucks again
http://dlvr.it/RG7Pyc
And the guest said that the post 1950s Republicans were a coalition of Christians, libertarians and war hawks
Cuckin' Ted
So I thought they’d be lumped in
I have no idea who endeavor is.
But it sounds like he's just making shit up.
He’s more of a Christian type
@Might Guy
Oh OK the dissident right seems to get their history from movies half the time. Neocon is a lot more recent than that. It was if anything from the disaffected left (several of their theorists were Trotskyites at university). Of course from the libertarian standpoint there is little to love of the 50s as most of the New Deal socialism was still intact. Until the 60s when Kennedy *a Democrat* reduced the taxes and even proposed a silver currency before he was assassinated.
For the GOP there was no real libertarian influence until Goldwater. Bear in mind Reagan (who used to be a Democrat) became a Goldwater Republican and supported his failed primary bid.
You do not get the Neocons until like the 90s...
Upon reflection I don't think they meant neocons
But the post war right wing coalition
Well yeah but as I pointed out the libertarians weren't partisan at that point. It's a fairly recent development. Or Christians for that matter Carter for instance was very devout. Well everyone was at that point. Most religious politicking was over which denomination of Christian you were.
No I’m not a Neo con or care much for spreading democracy across the globe it just isn’t my concern, I’m far more interested in domestic politics here in the America
Now Jym is a big libertarian guy (seems like, I don’t want to misrepresent him) so I disagree a lot with him but I agree with him on that neo cons are trash
But I will say America was much better back in the 1950’s than now, when we actually had a homogeneous nation state
Of course it wasn’t perfect but nothing is
Neocons talk a big game about "spreading democracy", the accurate english translation is actually "increase the number of nations that give us discounts"
Neocons don't want democracies, they want banana republics
Its also how they can sing the praises of western democracy and still vote to pay out the ass to support an islamic hereditary theocraic-monarchy in the middle of a war of extermination
Well I am generally libertarian but that is a broad category. Foreign Policy was only *part* of the Neocon agenda though. I'd say that in the contemporary discourse 'Neocon' can merely be defined as "Republican I do not like." and has little resemblance to the Neocon movement.
Again *domestically* Tucker and most of the AR are Neocons.
I disagree, Tucker doesn't treat the free market like an unquestionable deity that must remain immaculate of human intervention
Neither did the Neocons...
I want you to explain that because I don’t know the Neocons positions on domestic policy, I just really hate them because of foreign policy. But if I were to guess would it be trickle down economics like Reagan wanted?