Cuckin' Ted

So I thought they’d be lumped in

I have no idea who endeavor is.

But it sounds like he's just making shit up.

He’s a pretty solid dissident right channel

He’s more of a Christian type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZmkv-5jnW0

@Might Guy

Oh OK the dissident right seems to get their history from movies half the time. Neocon is a lot more recent than that. It was if anything from the disaffected left (several of their theorists were Trotskyites at university). Of course from the libertarian standpoint there is little to love of the 50s as most of the New Deal socialism was still intact. Until the 60s when Kennedy *a Democrat* reduced the taxes and even proposed a silver currency before he was assassinated.

For the GOP there was no real libertarian influence until Goldwater. Bear in mind Reagan (who used to be a Democrat) became a Goldwater Republican and supported his failed primary bid.

You do not get the Neocons until like the 90s...

Upon reflection I don't think they meant neocons

But the post war right wing coalition

Well yeah but as I pointed out the libertarians weren't partisan at that point. It's a fairly recent development. Or Christians for that matter Carter for instance was very devout. Well everyone was at that point. Most religious politicking was over which denomination of Christian you were.

https://youtu.be/PTRrjDErs9Q

No I’m not a Neo con or care much for spreading democracy across the globe it just isn’t my concern, I’m far more interested in domestic politics here in the America

Now Jym is a big libertarian guy (seems like, I don’t want to misrepresent him) so I disagree a lot with him but I agree with him on that neo cons are trash

But I will say America was much better back in the 1950’s than now, when we actually had a homogeneous nation state

Of course it wasn’t perfect but nothing is

Neocons talk a big game about "spreading democracy", the accurate english translation is actually "increase the number of nations that give us discounts"

Neocons don't want democracies, they want banana republics

Its also how they can sing the praises of western democracy and still vote to pay out the ass to support an islamic hereditary theocraic-monarchy in the middle of a war of extermination

Well I am generally libertarian but that is a broad category. Foreign Policy was only *part* of the Neocon agenda though. I'd say that in the contemporary discourse 'Neocon' can merely be defined as "Republican I do not like." and has little resemblance to the Neocon movement.

Again *domestically* Tucker and most of the AR are Neocons.

I disagree, Tucker doesn't treat the free market like an unquestionable deity that must remain immaculate of human intervention

Neither did the Neocons...

I want you to explain that because I don’t know the Neocons positions on domestic policy, I just really hate them because of foreign policy. But if I were to guess would it be trickle down economics like Reagan wanted?

Reagan did not advocate 'Trickle down economics' in fact there is no such thing. It was a buzzword the press used to decry Reagan.

The Neocon position on economics is much like the PoMo or Tucker. That if you can dress up socialism in more acceptable language you can make it policy.

elimination of the estate tax, supporting the capital gains rate until Romney made that position untenable, and they certainly didn't make any moves to stop companies sending jobs away overseas.

I'm not dumb enough to try and pin shit like 'citizens-united' or NAFTA solely on neocons, or even republicans in general, but what fucking action have they taken against it prior to Trump?

I feel like you call anything that isn’t libertarian free market socialism

Well NAFTA and shitty trade deals was Obama

no, NAFTA specifically was Clinton

Again I cannot recommend highly enough *Leviathan on the Right* as a clear explanation of Neocon ideology in it's roots and implementation. It was printed a while ago and you can get a copy for 10$ or so on Amazon.

shit that came after it would certainly be in Obama's court

Ok

Fun fact Obama said we needed to re-negotiate NAFTA in the '08 primaries. Trump actually did it...

another fun fact, both Trump and Obama got barely anything done when they both had supermajorities in congress

See I did not like Trump in the elections. He talks weird and I figured the things we needed the most were the things he was least likely to do. As it turns out the opposite happened.

I cringe whenever someone tries to sell the "he's doing everything he promised in the campaign" because literally all video evidence shows he took both sides of every issue at one point or another

He played to win

And win he did