Message from @Crafty

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2019-10-01 11:54:48 UTC  

"Mr Justice Leggatt said the commission had “misinterpreted the definition of ‘referendum expenses’”, adding: “The source of its error is a mistaken assumption that an individual or body which makes a donation to a permitted participant cannot thereby incur referendum expenses."

2019-10-01 11:55:23 UTC  

"As a result of this error, the Electoral Commission has interpreted the definition in a way that is inconsistent with both the language and the purpose of the legislation.”

2019-10-01 11:55:42 UTC  

They upheld their decision but ruled that they didn't understand their own rules.

2019-10-01 11:55:45 UTC  

It kind of doesn't matter anyway given the remain mailshot, that dwarfs anything leave could have achieved

2019-10-01 11:56:25 UTC  

Real constitutional reform is needed urgently

2019-10-01 11:56:37 UTC  

So yeah

2019-10-01 11:56:47 UTC  

Inc, the abolishment of the bbc and the supreme court

2019-10-01 11:56:57 UTC  

The Russian brexit narrative has been destroyed by the FT article

2019-10-01 11:57:09 UTC  

And yes leave overspent but due to an electoral commision fuck up

2019-10-01 11:57:15 UTC  

It's nearly the 5th of November, the kind of reform we need

2019-10-01 11:57:17 UTC  

imagine Russia actually did help us exit the union

2019-10-01 11:57:23 UTC  

The government straight up spent 7m on leaflets

2019-10-01 11:57:40 UTC  

@system11 we still have some really good legal history that something like that would destroy

2019-10-01 11:57:57 UTC  

precedent is something hard to build

2019-10-01 11:58:07 UTC  

God I wish the myth that boris lied to the queen would go away

2019-10-01 11:58:12 UTC  

we just need to undo a bunch of shit done in the past bunch of decades

2019-10-01 11:58:25 UTC  

@Joshu the only way for that to go away would be for the queen to say something

2019-10-01 11:58:25 UTC  

They made up a new interpretation of the law and then retroactively applied to

2019-10-01 11:58:32 UTC  

Because the prorogation was too long

2019-10-01 11:58:40 UTC  

It's literally that simple

2019-10-01 11:58:43 UTC  

that leaflet was what tipped me over into voting out

2019-10-01 11:58:53 UTC  

which goes against our principles, retroactive prosecution is awful

2019-10-01 11:59:14 UTC  

(even if the prosecution isn't a criminal one)

2019-10-01 11:59:18 UTC  

And if anything it was his legal advice

2019-10-01 11:59:34 UTC  

yep

2019-10-01 11:59:48 UTC  

also, this kind of thing is creating support for him

2019-10-01 11:59:53 UTC  

so, short term losses?

2019-10-01 12:00:01 UTC  

maybe aiming for long term power?

2019-10-01 12:00:14 UTC  

I have no fucking idea, I don't think anyone does, it's all a speculation game now

2019-10-01 12:00:33 UTC  

the supreme court together with bercow have thrown out all precedent

2019-10-01 12:00:41 UTC  

When the elites fail to enforce the will of the people

2019-10-01 12:00:45 UTC  

The populists come

2019-10-01 12:00:56 UTC  

And when the populists fail to deliver concrete chnage

2019-10-01 12:00:59 UTC  

The elites come

2019-10-01 12:01:06 UTC  

And thus it cycles

2019-10-01 12:01:16 UTC  

I think the term populist is an oxymoron - wouldn't anyone who wins by popular vote by definition be populist?

2019-10-01 12:01:45 UTC  

Populists are very defined though

2019-10-01 12:01:50 UTC  

You can identify them

2019-10-01 12:01:54 UTC  

Yes it's a shitty label

2019-10-01 12:02:04 UTC  

But yeah

2019-10-01 12:02:21 UTC  

The elitists have failed in the USA and the UK