But cloud does make sense in a lot of cases

You can fire a lot of your staff you don’t need to manage the data

Resource costs are hugeeeeeee

i suspect that quite a few cloud hosted people did not in fact accurately work out how much they could end up paying, it's also designed to vendor lock you

Vendor locking is why I keep shooting down the idea at work

That and I simply don' trust Amazon

i trust them honestly

But they're going ahead and using it anyway because they have no choice, so i'll get overruled on everything, then shit will go wrong and i'll tell them I told them so

Which happens alarmingly regularly

as much as i trust any corp anyway, but theyre not as evil as google at a cursory glance

Well

They’re evil to their staff

Warehouse workers and such

but speaking as someone who used to have specific responsibility for services *definitely working all the time* it would take a hell of a cost saving to not want to look after it personally.

Depends on the size

My company is lloyds

Their data centre in Leeds

Is fucking HUGE

So fucking expensive to maintain

It’s their biggest building

you can get a bit of paper from amazon citing 99.99% uptime (not sure if they do 5 9s?), at 3am in the morning when shit is totally broken that piece of paper is worth absolutely nothing. your customers dont care about the piece of paper either, they hold the business responsible

so im expecting our 'zomg cloud' phase to end the moment someone puts something actually critical there and it breaks

and the manager will get fired

i think where i'd like to see it used is burst capacity

it makes a lot of sense and the costs work out

Expanding on what you were talking about a minute ago. Having a datacenter is a business in and of itself.

Amazon for example

even large companies tend to rent space from DC companies

Yeah

i worked for rbs once, they have their own genuine buildings or had, at the time

everywhere else ive worked it's leasing space from someone who just leases space and provides power etc

It's all fun until you're locked into a super-provider then they decide for political reasons to terminate

Not something my work has to worry about, but I do

At a principle level

oh and the .com "our DC is this converted storage room with an aircon unit venting through the wall"

BBC was insufferable as usual today

And the SNP leader in parliament needs to be called a useless sack of haggis

is it a haggis or a bag of cocks, who can tell?

I've not been watching parliament today

Nor read the BBC

What's happened?