until theyre old enough to have a reasoned discussion and follow the rules, yes

I disagree

ok

then you disagree

@The Electric Lizard Statist

I am not even close to it, This is one of the only issues that i am not Libertarian on

neo libertarian

sometimes libertarian

sometimes not

the problem is the state found it necessary to step in because for every 9 parents who understand the when and why to administer a smack, theres one that just hits the children as soon as they dont get their way, and frankly they shouldnt be parents to begin with

wild

No, I support Libertarianism on the vast majority of issues, this is just one of the exceptions

@system11 suggests a problem in the population at large rather than with how people raise their children

https://youtu.be/4NXFCDgyanA?list=RD4NXFCDgyanA

scottish people are crazy angry

new news

@system11 Yes but we have to have some kind of law preventing parents from either using beating far too often or using it as the only way to make a child do as they are told, Parents should instil a sense of right and wrong which doesn't have to be done through pain and fear

correct

however outlawing a method entirely is just moronic

@The Electric Lizard Not your call

It should be

its a valid tool, not the only valid tool

lets ban the cars next because people drink and drive is just as stupid

Some parents cannot parent properly and we should have laws preventing them from doing it in reckless and generally bad ways @Benjamin Henry

Teach your children self discipline. Pain is a good measure to do this >_>

waiting for you to ban everything you don't like because edge cases

looking forward to it

'go to your room' and 'youre grounded' or 'no pocketmoney' are compelling arguments, but parents do haave to instill who is in charge or you even up with entitled, arrogant brats

_libertarian_

@The Electric Lizard No, we shouldn't. That's prior restraint - punishing freedom rather than the abuse of it

Cars are a different situation, People choose to drink and drive whereas children don't choose to be born to certain parents @notaglobe

cars don't choose to be purchased by them

_think of the cars_

Cars aren't sentient beings

@The Electric Lizard We do already have laws and ways of preventing bad parenting or abusive parents

Children are

wow, that's fucked up

how dare you

i'm offended

fuck, we're going to have to ban cars due to the 1/10000 person who tries to run people off the road.

remember, the other people that the drink drivers kill