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@system11 Yes but we have to have some kind of law preventing parents from either using beating far too often or using it as the only way to make a child do as they are told, Parents should instil a sense of right and wrong which doesn't have to be done through pain and fear

correct

however outlawing a method entirely is just moronic

@The Electric Lizard Not your call

It should be

its a valid tool, not the only valid tool

lets ban the cars next because people drink and drive is just as stupid

Some parents cannot parent properly and we should have laws preventing them from doing it in reckless and generally bad ways @Benjamin Henry

Teach your children self discipline. Pain is a good measure to do this >_>

waiting for you to ban everything you don't like because edge cases

looking forward to it

'go to your room' and 'youre grounded' or 'no pocketmoney' are compelling arguments, but parents do haave to instill who is in charge or you even up with entitled, arrogant brats

_libertarian_

@The Electric Lizard No, we shouldn't. That's prior restraint - punishing freedom rather than the abuse of it

Cars are a different situation, People choose to drink and drive whereas children don't choose to be born to certain parents @notaglobe

cars don't choose to be purchased by them

_think of the cars_

Cars aren't sentient beings

@The Electric Lizard We do already have laws and ways of preventing bad parenting or abusive parents

Children are

wow, that's fucked up

how dare you

i'm offended

fuck, we're going to have to ban cars due to the 1/10000 person who tries to run people off the road.

remember, the other people that the drink drivers kill

*Let's just BAN Humans!*

they didn't choooooose that

@Mavalance And we should expand those laws to prevent any violence as a parenting technique

smacking isnt violence

we should then talk about lying to kids about farther christmas!!!!

it's abuse!!!

its a method of communication

It is a form of minor assault

Discipline isn't violence either

Arguable @Mavalance

lol whatever man

@The Electric Lizard Are you suggesting people should be LICENSED to have children?

If you go up to random people and start smacking them you will be arrested @system11

turns out the libertarian is actually an authoritarian

Okay, Chairman Mao