@The Electric Lizard yes

i think so, yes

yes you are @The Electric Lizard

Sorry mate

it's fucking retarded

@The Electric Lizard Yes, because you're an authoritarian

accept it, you're not in favour of liberty

No it isnt, a very indisciplined child needs that to become diciplined and realise there are consequences to their actions

> children in the foster system are out of control

I FUCKING WONDER WHY

Like i said before i am Libertarian on practically every other issue

Pain is useful for a child's growth

But think about the Liberty of the child here

@The Electric Lizard nope

Bad parenting and insane environments

The Child shouldn't be forced to be attacked by their parents

@The Electric Lizard Well change your position

you're attributing more malice to this

it's not attack

They should have the liberty to live life without being attacked or beaten or however you want to term it

if someone actually attacks a child, yes, lock them up

basically. the smack (which should only be a slap on a safe area) is the final escalation. it's a "stop that, now" after attempting to ask nicely, reason, etc have failed.

@The Electric Lizard "forced to be attacked?" You're way off the reservation here

Well they are forced to stay with their parents

They shouldn't. @The Electric Lizard But the amount that do is very small, and there are already things in place to prevent this kinds of things.

"attacked", "beaten"

hmmm

looks like someone was raped as a kid

and doesn't understand normal parenting

It's called emotive language

Im not saying abuse children here, Im saying that if only absolutey necessary it needs to happen if the kid is just out of control.

yes, maybe you should separate your emotions

because they're over involved

Attacked generates a better emotional response then smacked

> think of the children

Think of the liberty of the child not to be smacked

thats because attacked is a different thing

yeah, so you're trying to stear the conversation and we're not accepting it

it's not attacking

it's not beating

these things are already illegal