Im not saying abuse children here, Im saying that if only absolutey necessary it needs to happen if the kid is just out of control.

yes, maybe you should separate your emotions

because they're over involved

Attacked generates a better emotional response then smacked

> think of the children

Think of the liberty of the child not to be smacked

thats because attacked is a different thing

yeah, so you're trying to stear the conversation and we're not accepting it

it's not attacking

it's not beating

these things are already illegal

A founding principle of Libertarianism is the Non-Aggression principle, Smacking a child breaks that

Well brothers play fighting one another creates chatacter and teaches them the reality of loosing and struggle

well fuck, better let the nazis take europe

smacking isnt aggression, its a communication, an instruction

if all aggression is unjustified then you're gonna die pretty fucking quickly in the desert when the lions get you

So if you go up to people and smack them, Can you claim that you were not actually attacking them you were just communicating with them? @system11

if my mother hadnt smacked me across the ass, i probably would have continued to refuse to go to school

Sometimes aggression in society is okay as well. Fuck absolutes like that.

@notaglobe No it's just unprovoked aggression

unprovoked

You dont want a generation of pussies

also not aggression

Smacking as a parental technique is unprovoked aggression as the child has not initiated it

for years she'd have been dealing with the reluctance, almost dragging me down the road

> as the child has not initiated it

This is incorrect

the child has initiated it - thats the whole point. its a reaction to an action

> unprovoked aggression
this is incorrect

@notaglobe Have they attacked their parent or someone else? In most cases no

oh, so you can only respond to direct attack?

so when my kid hits me, I can round house them?

Not doing what you are told does not warrant an aggressive response

tell the USA that

unprovoked smacking would do absolutely nothing, in fact it would diminish the power of the act as well as being actual child abuse

We should just ban all violence towards children by parents

it's not violence

its not violence

Yes it is

we disagree on the fundimentals here and you just keep repeating

it's not violence

Smacking someone is violence